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This is the one hard, draconian rule we have here at the MEFAs. I may add
it to the texts that get sent to users as they join. This is the one thing
that is "unforgivable". And we hope it never occurs here so we never have
to enforce this rule.

Please give it a read, just to be clear.

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An excellent rule, Ainae! This way a lot of bad blood can be avoided.
I'm liking your Awards more and more with every new addendum.

Soledad


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> This is the one hard, draconian rule we have here at the MEFAs. I

may add

> it to the texts that get sent to users as they join. This is the

one thing

> that is "unforgivable". And we hope it never occurs here so we

never have

> to enforce this rule.
>
> Please give it a read, just to be clear.
>
> I now return you to your regularly scheduled positive atmosphere.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --Ainaechoiriel
>

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> An excellent rule, Ainae! This way a lot of bad blood can be avoided.
> I'm liking your Awards more and more with every new addendum.

Thank you. I think we have to Lindorien some credit for at least some of
these addendums. Her questions do seem to bring addendums out of me. ;-)

--Ainaechoiriel

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I also uploaded the Men ballot.

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I fixed the typo in the title (Categorise to Categories) so the direct link
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--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "Ainaechoiriel" <mefaadmin@e...> wrote:

> I fixed the typo in the title (Categorise to Categories) so the

< direct link may not work.

I spotted a typo in the file:

o Godnor
+ 1st: The Minas Tirith Award
+ 2nd: The Osgiliath Award
+ 3rd: The Dol Amroth Award

But for the rest, it looks neat. :c)

Rhapsody

Thanks, I'll fix that.

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Hi Dwim,

Thanks for putting the form in files...makes it easier to find. Of
course, that also makes it easier for me to drive you crazy by
noticing new things every time I look at it…

So this time I noticed that a few of Marta's suggestions haven't yet
been incorporated (I've cut and pasted from her posts):

Marta:
So why don't we make the division between early and late TA be 2850,
just to be on the safe side? That allows for characters who were a
little older than Bilbo (like the Dwarves), and the events just before
their birth, and gives us a nice, round number.

I know this year some stories about Merry and Pippin in Rohan ended up
in the Rohan category, and we had to fix it when checking ballots. To
keep that from happening again, I'd like to make it clear that an
author should only put something in these fields if they want it to be
used for a sub-category. Maybe "Your answers to these questions will
help MEFA categorizers place your story into a subcategory, subject to
subcategory viability rules. If you do not want your story to compete
in a subcategory based on the answer to a particular story (if, for
example, your story is set in Rohan but you do not want this to be its
subcategory), or if answering a question would serve as a spoiler to
your story, please check the box "Decline to answer."

Me again:
Both of these suggestions make sense to me…especially the idea of
making it clear up front that it's the *subcategory* info the author
supplies that determines what specific group of 5-15 stories the
author's story will compete against. While this info is also in
Marta's FAQ (I forget--were we going to provide a link to that in the
form?), I think it's safer to also put it in the form itself as we
can't be sure every author will actually read the FAQ.

Kathy (Inkling)

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Hi Kathy,

> Thanks for putting the form in files...makes it easier to find. Of 
> course, that also makes it easier for me to drive you crazy by
> noticing new things every time I look at it&
>

I like it in the files, but Dwim, could you also post the form as a
post to the group? The posts are accessible to everyone, even people
who aren't members of the group. Specifically people in the LJ. It
would be nice to be able to point to a link that they could see, too.

<snip>

> Me again:
> Both of these suggestions make sense to me&especially the idea of
> making it clear up front that it's the *subcategory* info the author
> supplies that determines what specific group of 5-15 stories the
> author's story will compete against.  While this info is also in
> Marta's FAQ (I forget--were we going to provide a link to that in the
> form?), I think it's safer to also put it in the form itself as we
> can't be sure every author will actually read the FAQ.
>

Anthony and I talked about putting it on the site. I need to get them
polished off and then work with him to make that happen. (It's my
laziness in not getting my end done, btw. I'll try to make it happen.)
At the very least they'll be moved to Ainae's site with rules and
regulations (http://home.earthlink.net/~ainae/mefa/ ), and we can put a
link on the form to the FAQ.

Marta

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:

>
> I like it in the files, but Dwim, could you also post the form as a
> post to the group? The posts are accessible to everyone, even
> people who aren't members of the group. Specifically people in the
> LJ. It would be nice to be able to point to a link that they could
> see, too.
>

Before it gets posted anywhere else, I think there's still a date
error:

3. Early Third Age: Stories set in the Third Age before 2900. These
stories should draw from the histories of the cultures of Middle-
earth, and in most cases will not involve characters who feature
into "The Lord of the Rings".

4. Late Third Age: Stories set between TA 2850 and TA 3017. Stories in
this category may include stories based around The Hobbit or about the
childhood of the characters of LOTR.

Since the date in #4 was changed to TA 2850, shouldn't it also be
changed in #3?

Kathy (Inkling)

Just keep noting the errors. I'm sorry, I'm not paying a whole lot of
attention at the moment to coherence, just throwing things in
piecemeal. Hopefully in a week, I'll be able to concentrate properly.

Also, look again at the timeline dates. I noticed we seemed to have
exclusive endpoints in every single case. I tried fussing with that a
bit so that we don't get questions like: "But my story is *about* the
overthrow of Morgoth, where should *that* go if First Age is
pre-overthrow and Second Age is defined as post-overthrow?"

Dwim

*********


STORY FORM: Please read *all* instructions, and complete all fields to
the extent required.

BASICS

Title: [already provided]
Author: [already provided]
Summary: [author provides]
Rating (if incorrect, please change): [MEFA drop-down]
Warnings (please enter warnings you feel are appropriate)
Romantic pairings (please see <link>'that which must be
identified"</link> for explanation and options):
URL (if not preferred site, please replace): [provided by nominator]

Please choose *one* and *only one* from each of the following three lists:

My story is *predominantly*:

1. Bookverse: based on the writings of J.R.R. Tolkien and/or drafts
made available by C. Tolkien
2. Filmverse: based on a film adaptation of "The Lord of the Rings" or
"The Hobbit"

My story is:

1. Fiction
2. Non-fiction (if non-fiction, please skip to number 8 in
"Subcategories")


My story is best described as a...

1. Drabble (100 words exactly, plus 15 for title)
2. Drabble cycle (a series of individual drabbles connected by some theme)
3. Ficlet (101 up to, but not including, 500 words)
4. Short Story (500-10,000 words)
5. Novella (10,001-50,000 words)
6. Novel (>50,000 words)
7. Poem (any length)


MAIN CATEGORIES

Please choose *one* and *only one* from each of the following lists.
Your responses will help us to try to place your story in a MEFA
category that is most appropriate.

A. Which of these time periods is your story based in?

1. Before the end of the First Age - anything before or during the
overthrow of Morgoth.

2. The Second Age - anything between the overthrow of Morgoth and the
Last Alliance, including stories about the latter event.

3. Early Third Age: Stories set in the Third Age *before* 2850. These
stories should draw from the histories of the cultures of
Middle-earth, and in most cases will not involve characters who
feature into "The Lord of the Rings".

4. Late Third Age: Stories set *in or between* the years TA 2850 and
TA 3017. Stories in this category may include stories based around The
Hobbit or about the childhoods of the characters of LOTR.

5. The Great Years: Stories set *in or between* TA 3018 and TA 3022.
These stories should be set around events like the Quest to destroy
the Ring, pre-war politics in Rohan and Gondor, the occupation of the
Shire, the War of the Ring itself, and the aftermath of the Ring War
before or about the sailing of the Ring-bearers from the Grey Havens.

6. Fourth Age and Beyond - Stories about the events following the
sailing of the Ring-bearers, or crossovers between Middle-earth and
the modern world.


B. Which of these genres best describes your story?

1. Action/Adventure
2. Alternate Universe
3. Crossover
4. Drama (includes Angst)
5. Horror
6. Humor
7. Mystery
8. Romance

C. Which of the following types of characters would you say is the
primary focus of your story?

1. Dwarves
2. Elves
3. Ents
4. Hobbits
5. Men
6. Valar/Ainur
7. Villains
8. Other
9. Story specifically interested in depicting and examining
interspecies interactions


D. Rank your category choices. In which of the above categories would
you *most prefer* your story to compete? Please list your first
category choice first, and your last category choice third (e.g., A,
C, B).



SUBCATEGORIES

Please fill in the following information./[Please select the following
from the drop-down lists provided or, if necessary, input the required
information in the "Other" textbox.] Your answers to these questions
will help MEFA categorizers place your story into a <link FAQ
explanation of...>subcategory</link>, subject to subcategory viability
rules. If you do NOT want your story to compete in a subcategory based
on the answer to a particular question (if, for example, your story is
set in Rohan but you do not want this to be its subcategory), OR if
answering a question would serve as a spoiler to your story (e.g.,
entering your story into subcategory "Bilbo" derived from question 2
would give away who the narrator was, when keeping that information
hidden for a time was important to your plot), please check the box
"Decline to answer."

1. Where does your story primarily take place, or about which place
does your story revolve (e.g., Gondolin, Houses of Healing, Beleriand,
Rohan, The Angle, The Shire, Angband etc.)? Please limit yourself to
four or fewer main places.

Check box: Decline to answer

2. Who are your *main* characters, in order of priority? (Acknowledged
groups such as "Fellowship", "Ringbearers", "Feanorians", etc., also
useful here.) Please limit yourself to *four or fewer* main
characters/groups of characters.

Check box: Decline to answer

3. Which time periods *NOT* listed above does the story primarily take
place in/focus on (e.g., Pre-quest, Time of Trees, War of the Ring,
etc.)? Please limit yourself to four or fewer times.

Check box: Decline to answer

4. If your story is based on filmed versions of Tolkien's work, which
film/set of films is it based on?

Check box: Decline to answer

5. Is there a major canonical event around which your story revolves
(e.g., Akallabeth, destruction of Sirion, making of Khazad-dûm, Battle
of Unnumbered Tears, etc.)? Please limit yourself to four or fewer events.

Check box: Decline to answer

6. Is there a particular subgenre or form commonly used in fandom or
film/literature that you think is applicable to and a good description
of your story that isn't represented above (e.g., metafic, noir,
pastische, filk, etc.)?

Check box: Decline to answer

7. If your story is a poem, what is its form (e.g., haiku, tanka,
terzanelle, sonnet, free verse etc.)?

Check box: Decline to answer

8. If your story is non-fiction, what is its main topic?

Check box: Decline to answer

9. If your story is non-fiction, is it an essay (offering
interpretation) or an article (research article meant to assist others
by gathering and presenting useful facts, but without offering an
interpretation)?

Check box: Decline to answer

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "dwimmer_laik" <dwimmer_laik@y...>
wrote:

>
> Just keep noting the errors. I'm sorry, I'm not paying a whole lot of
> attention at the moment to coherence, just throwing things in
> piecemeal. Hopefully in a week, I'll be able to concentrate properly.
>
> Also, look again at the timeline dates. I noticed we seemed to have
> exclusive endpoints in every single case. I tried fussing with that a
> bit so that we don't get questions like: "But my story is *about* the
> overthrow of Morgoth, where should *that* go if First Age is
> pre-overthrow and Second Age is defined as post-overthrow?"

Well given the fact that first Morgoth was overthrown.. before the
breaking of Beleriand (which marks the end of the First Age), so a
story featuring that will always fit in the First Age. A story about
the consequences of the breaking of Beleriand (elven races settling in
Middle Earth, the Edain settling on Numenor), that would be a complete
different ballgame.

Rhapsody

Hi Dwim,

Good point about the exclusive endpoints. I think your reworked
language fixes the problem...have tweaked it just a bit in an attempt
to simplify it; see what you think. Also, Marta had proposed a
variation on the name of the first time period that I liked, so I've
put that in as well. And since the Ring-bearers sailed in Sept. 3021,
I've adjusted the Great Years definition to "Stories set in or
between TA 3018 and TA 3021."

A. Which of these time periods is your story based in?

1. First Age and Earlier - Anything up to and including the overthrow
of Morgoth.

2. Second Age - Anything following the overthrow of Morgoth up to and
including the Last Alliance.

3. Early Third Age: Stories set in the Third Age before 2850. These
stories should draw from the histories of the cultures of Middle-
earth, and in most cases will not involve characters who feature
into "The Lord of the Rings".

4. Late Third Age: Stories set in or between the years TA 2850 and TA
3017. Stories in this category may include stories based around The
Hobbit or about the childhoods of the characters of LOTR.

5. The Great Years: Stories set in or between TA 3018 and TA 3021.
These stories should be set around events like the Quest to destroy
the Ring, pre-war politics in Rohan and Gondor, the occupation of the
Shire, the War of the Ring itself, and the aftermath of the Ring War
up to and including the sailing of the Ring-bearers from the Grey
Havens.

6. Fourth Age and Beyond - Stories about the events following the
sailing of the Ring-bearers, or crossovers between Middle-earth and
the modern world.

Kathy (Inkling)

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "dwimmer_laik" <dwimmer_laik@y...>
wrote:

>
> Just keep noting the errors. I'm sorry, I'm not paying a whole lot

of

> attention at the moment to coherence, just throwing things in
> piecemeal. Hopefully in a week, I'll be able to concentrate

properly.

>
> Also, look again at the timeline dates. I noticed we seemed to have
> exclusive endpoints in every single case. I tried fussing with that

a

> bit so that we don't get questions like: "But my story is *about*

the

> overthrow of Morgoth, where should *that* go if First Age is
> pre-overthrow and Second Age is defined as post-overthrow?"
>
> Dwim
>
> *********
>
>
> STORY FORM: Please read *all* instructions, and complete all fields

to

> the extent required.
>
> BASICS
>
> Title: [already provided]
> Author: [already provided]
> Summary: [author provides]
> Rating (if incorrect, please change): [MEFA drop-down]
> Warnings (please enter warnings you feel are appropriate)
> Romantic pairings (please see <link>'that which must be
> identified"</link> for explanation and options):
> URL (if not preferred site, please replace): [provided by nominator]
>
> Please choose *one* and *only one* from each of the following three

lists:

>
> My story is *predominantly*:
>
> 1. Bookverse: based on the writings of J.R.R. Tolkien and/or drafts
> made available by C. Tolkien
> 2. Filmverse: based on a film adaptation of "The Lord of the Rings"

or

> "The Hobbit"
>
> My story is:
>
> 1. Fiction
> 2. Non-fiction (if non-fiction, please skip to number 8 in
> "Subcategories")
>
>
> My story is best described as a...
>
> 1. Drabble (100 words exactly, plus 15 for title)
> 2. Drabble cycle (a series of individual drabbles connected by some

theme)

> 3. Ficlet (101 up to, but not including, 500 words)
> 4. Short Story (500-10,000 words)
> 5. Novella (10,001-50,000 words)
> 6. Novel (>50,000 words)
> 7. Poem (any length)
>
>
> MAIN CATEGORIES
>
> Please choose *one* and *only one* from each of the following lists.
> Your responses will help us to try to place your story in a MEFA
> category that is most appropriate.
>
> A. Which of these time periods is your story based in?
>
> 1. Before the end of the First Age - anything before or during the
> overthrow of Morgoth.
>
> 2. The Second Age - anything between the overthrow of Morgoth and

the

> Last Alliance, including stories about the latter event.
>
> 3. Early Third Age: Stories set in the Third Age *before* 2850.

These

> stories should draw from the histories of the cultures of
> Middle-earth, and in most cases will not involve characters who
> feature into "The Lord of the Rings".
>
> 4. Late Third Age: Stories set *in or between* the years TA 2850 and
> TA 3017. Stories in this category may include stories based around

The

> Hobbit or about the childhoods of the characters of LOTR.
>
> 5. The Great Years: Stories set *in or between* TA 3018 and TA 3022.
> These stories should be set around events like the Quest to destroy
> the Ring, pre-war politics in Rohan and Gondor, the occupation of

the

> Shire, the War of the Ring itself, and the aftermath of the Ring War
> before or about the sailing of the Ring-bearers from the Grey

Havens.

>
> 6. Fourth Age and Beyond - Stories about the events following the
> sailing of the Ring-bearers, or crossovers between Middle-earth and
> the modern world.
>
>
> B. Which of these genres best describes your story?
>
> 1. Action/Adventure
> 2. Alternate Universe
> 3. Crossover
> 4. Drama (includes Angst)
> 5. Horror
> 6. Humor
> 7. Mystery
> 8. Romance
>
> C. Which of the following types of characters would you say is the
> primary focus of your story?
>
> 1. Dwarves
> 2. Elves
> 3. Ents
> 4. Hobbits
> 5. Men
> 6. Valar/Ainur
> 7. Villains
> 8. Other
> 9. Story specifically interested in depicting and examining
> interspecies interactions
>
>
> D. Rank your category choices. In which of the above categories

would

> you *most prefer* your story to compete? Please list your first
> category choice first, and your last category choice third (e.g., A,
> C, B).
>
>
>
> SUBCATEGORIES
>
> Please fill in the following information./[Please select the

following

> from the drop-down lists provided or, if necessary, input the

required

> information in the "Other" textbox.] Your answers to these questions
> will help MEFA categorizers place your story into a <link FAQ
> explanation of...>subcategory</link>, subject to subcategory

viability

> rules. If you do NOT want your story to compete in a subcategory

based

> on the answer to a particular question (if, for example, your story

is

> set in Rohan but you do not want this to be its subcategory), OR if
> answering a question would serve as a spoiler to your story (e.g.,
> entering your story into subcategory "Bilbo" derived from question 2
> would give away who the narrator was, when keeping that information
> hidden for a time was important to your plot), please check the box
> "Decline to answer."
>
> 1. Where does your story primarily take place, or about which place
> does your story revolve (e.g., Gondolin, Houses of Healing,

Beleriand,

> Rohan, The Angle, The Shire, Angband etc.)? Please limit yourself to
> four or fewer main places.
>
> Check box: Decline to answer
>
> 2. Who are your *main* characters, in order of priority?

(Acknowledged

> groups such as "Fellowship", "Ringbearers", "Feanorians", etc., also
> useful here.) Please limit yourself to *four or fewer* main
> characters/groups of characters.
>
> Check box: Decline to answer
>
> 3. Which time periods *NOT* listed above does the story primarily

take

> place in/focus on (e.g., Pre-quest, Time of Trees, War of the Ring,
> etc.)? Please limit yourself to four or fewer times.
>
> Check box: Decline to answer
>
> 4. If your story is based on filmed versions of Tolkien's work,

which

> film/set of films is it based on?
>
> Check box: Decline to answer
>
> 5. Is there a major canonical event around which your story revolves
> (e.g., Akallabeth, destruction of Sirion, making of Khazad-dûm,

Battle

> of Unnumbered Tears, etc.)? Please limit yourself to four or fewer

events.

>
> Check box: Decline to answer
>
> 6. Is there a particular subgenre or form commonly used in fandom or
> film/literature that you think is applicable to and a good

description

> of your story that isn't represented above (e.g., metafic, noir,
> pastische, filk, etc.)?
>
> Check box: Decline to answer
>
> 7. If your story is a poem, what is its form (e.g., haiku, tanka,
> terzanelle, sonnet, free verse etc.)?
>
> Check box: Decline to answer
>
> 8. If your story is non-fiction, what is its main topic?
>
> Check box: Decline to answer
>
> 9. If your story is non-fiction, is it an essay (offering
> interpretation) or an article (research article meant to assist

others

> by gathering and presenting useful facts, but without offering an
> interpretation)?
>
> Check box: Decline to answer
>

This sounds very good to me--it is very inclusive and covers most
eventualities! I really like your definition of "Late Third Age" and "The
Great Years"--those are perfect, and so much more accurate than pre-Quest or
Quest.
Dreamflower
(Barbara)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathy" <inkling-tcbs@sbcglobal.net>
To: <MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 2:58 PM
Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: New file uploaded to MEFAwards


Hi Dwim,

Good point about the exclusive endpoints. I think your reworked
language fixes the problem...have tweaked it just a bit in an attempt
to simplify it; see what you think. Also, Marta had proposed a
variation on the name of the first time period that I liked, so I've
put that in as well. And since the Ring-bearers sailed in Sept. 3021,
I've adjusted the Great Years definition to "Stories set in or
between TA 3018 and TA 3021."

A. Which of these time periods is your story based in?

1. First Age and Earlier - Anything up to and including the overthrow
of Morgoth.

2. Second Age - Anything following the overthrow of Morgoth up to and
including the Last Alliance.

3. Early Third Age: Stories set in the Third Age before 2850. These
stories should draw from the histories of the cultures of Middle-
earth, and in most cases will not involve characters who feature
into "The Lord of the Rings".

4. Late Third Age: Stories set in or between the years TA 2850 and TA
3017. Stories in this category may include stories based around The
Hobbit or about the childhoods of the characters of LOTR.

5. The Great Years: Stories set in or between TA 3018 and TA 3021.
These stories should be set around events like the Quest to destroy
the Ring, pre-war politics in Rohan and Gondor, the occupation of the
Shire, the War of the Ring itself, and the aftermath of the Ring War
up to and including the sailing of the Ring-bearers from the Grey
Havens.

6. Fourth Age and Beyond - Stories about the events following the
sailing of the Ring-bearers, or crossovers between Middle-earth and
the modern world.

Kathy (Inkling)

On 7 Dec 2005, at 02:51, Kathy wrote:

> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:
> >
> > I like it in the files, but Dwim, could you also post the form as a
> > post to the group? The posts are accessible to everyone, even
> > people who aren't members of the group. Specifically people in the
> > LJ. It would be nice to be able to point to a link that they could
> > see, too.
> >
>
> Before it gets posted anywhere else, I think there's still a date
> error:
>
> 3. Early Third Age: Stories set in the Third Age before 2900. These
> stories should draw from the histories of the cultures of Middle-
> earth, and in most cases will not involve characters who feature
> into "The Lord of the Rings".
>
> 4. Late Third Age: Stories set between TA 2850 and TA 3017. Stories in
> this category may include stories based around The Hobbit or about the
> childhood of the characters of LOTR.
>
> Since the date in #4 was changed to TA 2850, shouldn't it also be
> changed in #3?
>

Makes sense to me.

Marta

> A. Which of these time periods is your story based in?
>
> 1. Before the end of the First Age - anything before or during the
> overthrow of Morgoth.
>
> 2. The Second Age - anything between the overthrow of Morgoth and the
> Last Alliance, including stories about the latter event.
>

How about:

1. First Age or Earlier - Anything before or during the overthrow of
Morgoth at the end of the First Age.

2. The Second Age - Anything after the overthrow of Morgoth, up to and
including the Last Alliance.

Marta

On 7 Dec 2005, at 09:36, rhapsody_the_bard wrote:

> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "dwimmer_laik" <dwimmer_laik@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Just keep noting the errors. I'm sorry, I'm not paying a whole lot
> of
> > attention at the moment to coherence, just throwing things in
> > piecemeal. Hopefully in a week, I'll be able to concentrate
> properly.
> >
> > Also, look again at the timeline dates. I noticed we seemed to have
> > exclusive endpoints in every single case. I tried fussing with that
> a
> > bit so that we don't get questions like: "But my story is *about*
> the
> > overthrow of Morgoth, where should *that* go if First Age is
> > pre-overthrow and Second Age is defined as post-overthrow?"
>
> Well given the fact that first Morgoth was overthrown.. before the
> breaking of Beleriand (which marks the end of the First Age), so a
> story featuring that will always fit in the First Age. A story about
> the consequences of the breaking of Beleriand (elven races settling in
> Middle Earth, the Edain settling on Numenor), that would be a complete
> different ballgame.
>

I thought the breaking of Beleriand was the result of Morgoth's
fortress being broken, and that the two events were really part of the
same event. But it's been a long time since I've read the Silm, so
maybe I'm wrong.

I wonder if we're making this too complicated. Should we maybe not list
events at all in the descriptions? If it's in the Age of the Trees or
the First Age or whatever before the end of the First Age, then it's
"First Age and Earlier". If it's during the Second Age, it's in "Second
Age". If it's set before 2850 it's in "Early Third Age". And so on.

Marta

>

Okay, I'm going to get my thoughts together "for real" this time. Sorry
about the multiple messages as I work my way through the posts. :-)

How would this work for category descriptions. This is based on
Inkling's version, with some slight tweaking on the wording.

1. First Age and Earlier - Anything set before the beginning of the
Second Age. This would include the creation of Middle-earth, the elves
in Valinor before the Noldor returned to Middle-earth, and all the
events and wars revolving around the silmarils.

2. Second Age - Anything set during the Second Age. Major events are
the forging of the Elven-rings, the history of Númenor, and the Last
Alliance.

3. Early Third Age - Anything set between FA 1 and FA 2849 (including
those years). These stories will draw from the histories of the
cultures of Middle-earth, and in most cases will not involve characters
who feature into "The Lord of the Rings".

4. Late Third Age - Anything set between TA 2850 and TA 3017 (including
those years). Stories in this category may include stories based around
The Hobbit or about the childhoods of the characters of LOTR.

5. The Great Years - Anything set between TA 3018 and TA 3021
(including those years). These stories should be set around events like
the Quest to destroy the Ring, events in Rohan and Gondor leading up to
the War of the Ring, the occupation of the Shire, the War of the Ring
itself, and the aftermath of the Ring War up to and including the
departure of the Ring-bearers from the Grey Havens.

6. Fourth Age and Beyond - Stories about the events following the
sailing of the Ring-bearers, or stories involving both Middle-earth and
the modern world.

7. Multi-Age - Stories that include events set in more than one of the
above categories.

Cheers,
Marta

On 7 Dec 2005, at 16:37, <aelfwina@cableone.net> wrote:

> This sounds very good to me--it is very inclusive and covers most
> eventualities!  I really like your definition of "Late Third Age" and
> "The
> Great Years"--those are perfect, and so much more accurate than
> pre-Quest or
> Quest.
> Dreamflower
> (Barbara)
>

Oh, I loved that Kathy - it really was perfect. My changes were to make
a few things more clear, but really, I used almost all of what you had
and couldn't have done my revision without yours.

Marta

Sounds good to me, Marta. However, being a compulsive proofreader, I
noticed that in #3 you put "FA" when you meant "TA." Just wanted to
mention it in case this gets cut and pasted...

Kathy (Inkling)

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> Okay, I'm going to get my thoughts together "for real" this time.
Sorry
> about the multiple messages as I work my way through the posts. :-)
>
> How would this work for category descriptions. This is based on
> Inkling's version, with some slight tweaking on the wording.
>
> 1. First Age and Earlier - Anything set before the beginning of the
> Second Age. This would include the creation of Middle-earth, the
elves
> in Valinor before the Noldor returned to Middle-earth, and all the
> events and wars revolving around the silmarils.
>
> 2. Second Age - Anything set during the Second Age. Major events
are
> the forging of the Elven-rings, the history of Númenor, and the
Last
> Alliance.
>
> 3. Early Third Age - Anything set between FA 1 and FA 2849
(including
> those years). These stories will draw from the histories of the
> cultures of Middle-earth, and in most cases will not involve
characters
> who feature into "The Lord of the Rings".
>
> 4. Late Third Age - Anything set between TA 2850 and TA 3017
(including
> those years). Stories in this category may include stories based
around
> The Hobbit or about the childhoods of the characters of LOTR.
>
> 5. The Great Years - Anything set between TA 3018 and TA 3021
> (including those years). These stories should be set around events
like
> the Quest to destroy the Ring, events in Rohan and Gondor leading
up to
> the War of the Ring, the occupation of the Shire, the War of the
Ring
> itself, and the aftermath of the Ring War up to and including the
> departure of the Ring-bearers from the Grey Havens.
>
> 6. Fourth Age and Beyond - Stories about the events following the
> sailing of the Ring-bearers, or stories involving both Middle-earth
and
> the modern world.
>
> 7. Multi-Age - Stories that include events set in more than one of
the
> above categories.
>
> Cheers,
> Marta
>

Well, I'd say it was a group effort! :)

Kathy (Inkling)

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:
>
>
> On 7 Dec 2005, at 16:37, <aelfwina@c...> wrote:
>
> > This sounds very good to me--it is very inclusive and covers most
> > eventualities!  I really like your definition of "Late Third
Age" and
> > "The
> > Great Years"--those are perfect, and so much more accurate than
> > pre-Quest or
> > Quest.
> > Dreamflower
> > (Barbara)
> >
>
> Oh, I loved that Kathy - it really was perfect. My changes were to
make
> a few things more clear, but really, I used almost all of what you
had
> and couldn't have done my revision without yours.
>
> Marta
>

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:

>
>
> On 7 Dec 2005, at 09:36, rhapsody_the_bard wrote:
>
> > --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "dwimmer_laik" <dwimmer_laik@y...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Just keep noting the errors. I'm sorry, I'm not paying a whole lot
> > of
> > > attention at the moment to coherence, just throwing things in
> > > piecemeal. Hopefully in a week, I'll be able to concentrate
> > properly.
> > >
> > > Also, look again at the timeline dates. I noticed we seemed to have
> > > exclusive endpoints in every single case. I tried fussing with

that

> > a
> > > bit so that we don't get questions like: "But my story is *about*
> > the
> > > overthrow of Morgoth, where should *that* go if First Age is
> > > pre-overthrow and Second Age is defined as post-overthrow?"
> >
> > Well given the fact that first Morgoth was overthrown.. before the
> > breaking of Beleriand (which marks the end of the First Age), so a
> > story featuring that will always fit in the First Age. A story about
> > the consequences of the breaking of Beleriand (elven races

settling in

> > Middle Earth, the Edain settling on Numenor), that would be a

complete

> > different ballgame.
> >
>
> I thought the breaking of Beleriand was the result of Morgoth's
> fortress being broken, and that the two events were really part of
> the same event. But it's been a long time since I've read the Silm,
> so maybe I'm wrong.

No. Eonwe and his host overpowered Morgoth, made sure he got thrown
behind the Doors of the Night, but then you have the aftermath with
the Silmarils, the remaining Feanorian's walking away with them and
Maglor casting it into the sea, Elves being called home, this covers
some years after that. With your reasoning, you press the stop button
when they cast out Morgoth and you place all stories about the
'aftermath' with the Silmarils into the Second Age. I think you're
confusing it a bit with the first time the Valar overthrew Morgoth,
where they chained him and let him live on Aman ánd tore of the roof
of Angband to get him.

> I wonder if we're making this too complicated. Should we maybe not
> list events at all in the descriptions? If it's in the Age of the
> Trees or the First Age or whatever before the end of the First Age,
> then it's "First Age and Earlier". If it's during the Second Age,
> it's in "Second Age". If it's set before 2850 it's in "Early Third
> Age". And so on.

I don't know why this is happening as well. For the sake of
transparency maybe? But then we need to be careful with assumptions.

I am mainly a Silm writer (well at this moment), so that might explain
it why it caught my eye.

Rhapsody

> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:48:15 -0000
> From: "Kathy" <inkling-tcbs@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject:
>
> Sounds good to me, Marta. However, being a compulsive proofreader, I
> noticed that in #3 you put "FA" when you meant "TA." Just wanted to
> mention it in case this gets cut and pasted...
>
> Kathy (Inkling)
>

Yep, thanks for catcfhing that.

Marta

> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>> Okay, I'm going to get my thoughts together "for real" this time.
> Sorry
>> about the multiple messages as I work my way through the posts. :-)
>>
>> How would this work for category descriptions. This is based on
>> Inkling's version, with some slight tweaking on the wording.
>>
>> 1. First Age and Earlier - Anything set before the beginning of the
>> Second Age. This would include the creation of Middle-earth, the
> elves
>> in Valinor before the Noldor returned to Middle-earth, and all the
>> events and wars revolving around the silmarils.
>>
>> 2. Second Age - Anything set during the Second Age. Major events
> are
>> the forging of the Elven-rings, the history of Númenor, and the
> Last
>> Alliance.
>>
>> 3. Early Third Age - Anything set between FA 1 and FA 2849
> (including
>> those years). These stories will draw from the histories of the
>> cultures of Middle-earth, and in most cases will not involve
> characters
>> who feature into "The Lord of the Rings".
>>
>> 4. Late Third Age - Anything set between TA 2850 and TA 3017
> (including
>> those years). Stories in this category may include stories based
> around
>> The Hobbit or about the childhoods of the characters of LOTR.
>>
>> 5. The Great Years - Anything set between TA 3018 and TA 3021
>> (including those years). These stories should be set around events
> like
>> the Quest to destroy the Ring, events in Rohan and Gondor leading
> up to
>> the War of the Ring, the occupation of the Shire, the War of the
> Ring
>> itself, and the aftermath of the Ring War up to and including the
>> departure of the Ring-bearers from the Grey Havens.
>>
>> 6. Fourth Age and Beyond - Stories about the events following the
>> sailing of the Ring-bearers, or stories involving both Middle-earth
> and
>> the modern world.
>>
>> 7. Multi-Age - Stories that include events set in more than one of
> the
>> above categories.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Marta
>>
>

> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:37:30 -0000
> From: "rhapsody_the_bard" <rhapsody74@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: New file uploaded to MEFAwards
>
> <snip>
>> I thought the breaking of Beleriand was the result of Morgoth's
>> fortress being broken, and that the two events were really part of
>> the same event. But it's been a long time since I've read the Silm,
>> so maybe I'm wrong.
>
> No. Eonwe and his host overpowered Morgoth, made sure he got thrown
> behind the Doors of the Night, but then you have the aftermath with
> the Silmarils, the remaining Feanorian's walking away with them and
> Maglor casting it into the sea, Elves being called home, this covers
> some years after that. With your reasoning, you press the stop button
> when they cast out Morgoth and you place all stories about the
> 'aftermath' with the Silmarils into the Second Age. I think you're
> confusing it a bit with the first time the Valar overthrew Morgoth,
> where they chained him and let him live on Aman ánd tore of the roof
> of Angband to get him.
>

Thanks for the clarification. I'm the first to admit that I'm no master
of the Silm; I've only read it once. What you're saying sounds vaguely
familiar from that one read. And as you know more about this than I do,
I'd probably trust you anyway. ;-)

>> I wonder if we're making this too complicated. Should we maybe not
>> list events at all in the descriptions? If it's in the Age of the
>> Trees or the First Age or whatever before the end of the First Age,
>> then it's "First Age and Earlier". If it's during the Second Age,
>> it's in "Second Age". If it's set before 2850 it's in "Early Third
>> Age". And so on.
>
> I don't know why this is happening as well. For the sake of
> transparency maybe? But then we need to be careful with assumptions.
>

I've reworded the category descriptions, hopefully making it clearer
when the different periods end. I've given some major events as
examples of the kind of stories that might appear in each category, but
not as the beginning and end points. Does this work for you?

> I am mainly a Silm writer (well at this moment), so that might explain
> it why it caught my eye.
>

Thanks for keeping an eye out. I really am most fmailiar with the Third
Age, so it's good to have a bit of balance.

Marta

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:

> Thanks for the clarification. I'm the first to admit that I'm no
> master of the Silm; I've only read it once. What you're saying
> sounds vaguely familiar from that one read. And as you know more
> about this than I do, I'd probably trust you anyway. ;-)
>

Well you know... actually I was going trough ROTK yesterday, the
appendices and this is what the appendices says (no actual dates, but
you can see that the First Age didn't end with Morgoth's capture and
throwing him behind the Doors of the night):

APPENDIX B
THE TALE OF YEARS
(CHRONOLOGY OF THE WESTLANDS)
The First Age ended with the Great Battle, in which the Host of
Valinor broke Thangorodrim and overthrew Morgoth. Then most of the
Noldor returned into the Far West and dwelt in Eressëa within sight
of Valinor; and many of the Sindar went over Sea also.

The Second Age ended with the first overthrow of Sauron, servant of
Morgoth. and the taking of the One Ring.
The Third Age came to its end in the War of the Ring; but the Fourth
Age was not held to have begun until Master Elrond departed, and the
time was come for the dominion of Men and the decline of all other
'speaking-peoples' in Middle-earth.
In the Fourth Age the earlier ages were often called the Elder Days;
but that name was properly given only to the days before the casting
out of Morgoth. The histories of that time are not recorded here.


So this is a pretty good reference by the professor himself :)

Rhapsody

> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:33:21 -0000
> From: "rhapsody_the_bard" <rhapsody74@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: New file uploaded to MEFAwards
>
> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the clarification. I'm the first to admit that I'm no
>> master of the Silm; I've only read it once. What you're saying
>> sounds vaguely familiar from that one read. And as you know more
>> about this than I do, I'd probably trust you anyway. ;-)
>>
> Well you know... actually I was going trough ROTK yesterday, the
> appendices and this is what the appendices says (no actual dates, but
> you can see that the First Age didn't end with Morgoth's capture and
> throwing him behind the Doors of the night):
>
> APPENDIX B
> THE TALE OF YEARS
> (CHRONOLOGY OF THE WESTLANDS)
> The First Age ended with the Great Battle, in which the Host of
> Valinor broke Thangorodrim and overthrew Morgoth. Then most of the
> Noldor returned into the Far West and dwelt in Eressëa within sight
> of Valinor; and many of the Sindar went over Sea also.
>
> The Second Age ended with the first overthrow of Sauron, servant of
> Morgoth. and the taking of the One Ring.
> The Third Age came to its end in the War of the Ring; but the Fourth
> Age was not held to have begun until Master Elrond departed, and the
> time was come for the dominion of Men and the decline of all other
> 'speaking-peoples' in Middle-earth.
> In the Fourth Age the earlier ages were often called the Elder Days;
> but that name was properly given only to the days before the casting
> out of Morgoth. The histories of that time are not recorded here.
>
>
> So this is a pretty good reference by the professor himself :)
>
> Rhapsody
>
>

It is! Thanks, I'd forgotten that that quote was in the appendices.

For the record, I never thought that the First Age ended with the
*first* capture of Morgoth (when he was taken back to Valinor and
originally released, at which point he killed Finwe). I gather from an
earlier post you thought I was confusing the two? I just forgot about
the stuff after the great battle referred to here but still in the
First Age -- all the stuff with Maedhros and Maglor stealing back the
silmarils.

I do think most people who write this stuff will know when their story
is set, in the First Age or Second Age. So I won't try to tell them.
:-)

Marta

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