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We're just getting started. So things are kind of plain here and on my site. Fortunately, in my work as tech support technician, I have a lot of down-time. So I'll try to dress up the site and this place a bit as time goes on. I do want to be ready to start nominations by May 1.  To that end, I have already created the Nomination Form.

If you would, could you do two things for me? 1) Introduce yourselves. I want this to be a friendly place. And 2) Read over the FAQ and the Nomination Form.  We only have a short time to make any changes that might be necessary.

So, I'll introduce myself to those who might not be familiar with me. I'm Ainaechoiriel, though my MAE (Mortal Alter Ego) is Gabrielle Lawson, who writes mostly Star Trek DS9 fanfiction. That is how I became familiar with the comment-based awards at alt.startrek.creative. My first story was posted in 1996 and I won Best DS9 Story that year. I won again in 1998 and then won Best MIS Combined (for Miscellaneous--meaning not a particular series of Trek, and Combined--meaning two or more Trek series crossed over.) for 2000 with the first part of my trilogy. Sadly, the other two parts didn't do as well. They didn't place at all.  Still, I have never gone without at least a few "votes" so I got treasured feedback even when I didn't win. And that is what makes these kinds of awards special, I think.

As Ainaechoiriel, I have written four short stories, Immortal, Myth and Memory, Namesake, and the Lure of the Darkness.  All can be found on HASA in some fashion and all are on www.fanfiction.net and my own site (in my sig.)

I've been a member of HA for at least a year, maybe two.  I found some familiar faces there from the Trek fandom (Una McCormick and Matt Edwards, in particular).  And, of course, I've made a lot of good friends.

I've created a Welcome message (using this message as a base) and also a Tips for Voting message, that will get automatically mailed out to all new members.

Thanks for joining. I hope this list grows big, because that is the best way to run these kinds of awards I think.  Every voter is a judge, so the more we have, the more stories we can cover.  (I'll talk about that more in the Tips for Voting message).

Well, enough of that for now.  Mae Gaevonen (I don't pretend to know how to spell Elvish). ;-)

--Ainaechoiriel

"This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond said, "for it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.

http://www.stormpages.com/gabrielle/lotr  Land of Myth and Memory
Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com

> Well, there are nine of us here now. Anyone want to introduce
> themselves?
>
> I did in an earlier post and, I, believe in the Welcome message you
> would have received upon your subscription. I recognize a few
> loginnames here, but others may not. I hope we'll get a lot more
> people by the time the awards start and even during them.
>
> So, who are you? ;-)
>
>

> Well, there are nine of us here now. Anyone want to introduce
> themselves?
>
> I did in an earlier post and, I, believe in the Welcome message you
> would have received upon your subscription. I recognize a few
> loginnames here, but others may not. I hope we'll get a lot more
> people by the time the awards start and even during them.
>
> So, who are you? ;-)
>
> --Ainaechoiriel
> MEFA Admin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lindorien2000 [mailto:lindorien@cox.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 9:59 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Intros anyone?
>
> Hi. I'm Lindorien.
>
> Rules for things like this must be explained to me in short
> clear sentences.

> If those sentences rhyme, I am even happier.

> If those sentences rhyme and are funny...

> it's entirely possible I wrote them.

> Is the nominations list public? That is probably a ridiculous
> question because we are the ones who are supposed to vote
> with our commentary.

> Strike that.
>
> I write humor.
>
> I am usually nice.
>
> Really.
>
> Ignore anything to the contrary you might have heard.

> Seriously.

> Okay, anybody else out there?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sulriel [mailto:Sulriel@htcomp.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 7:48 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Intros anyone?

>
> *waves* Hi ... its me. Becky. .. mmmm... intro. 39yo wife &
> mother of 2 kids (boys 8,12) small-time horse breeder/trainer
> . - oh! ..and Tolkien fan.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dwimmer_laik [mailto:dwimmer_laik@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:16 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Dropping in briefly
>
> Hi!
>
> Thank God for summer, or I probably couldn't manage the
> reviewing part of these awards, is all I can say.
>
> Thanks, Ainae, for setting this up!

> >
> > *waves* Hi ... its me. Becky. .. mmmm... intro. 39yo wife &
> > mother of 2 kids (boys 8,12) small-time horse breeder/trainer
> > . - oh! ..and Tolkien fan.
>
> Hello Sulriel. I think we are familiar with each other from certain

>
> Glad to have you either way.
>
> --Ainaechoiriel
>
>

> Well, there are nine of us here now. Anyone want to introduce
> themselves?

>
> > Well, there are nine of us here now. Anyone want to introduce
> > themselves?
>
>Hello everyone,
>
>I signed up the other night right before I went to bed, and then I
>went to a 21st last night, so I haven't been able to introduce myself
>until now!
>
>I'm Kate, though I usually go by the penname of Pervinca (or
>brachan90 on ff.net). I really liked the sound of these awards, so I
>joined up! I'm a hobbit-writer, and tend to favour the Tooks.
>
>Ainaechoiriel, I believe you were asking for volunteers to assist you
>with these awards, and I'd be happy to help. I'm not exactly sure how
>much of my time I can donate, but I'll do my best, even if it is just
>counting the votes. Let me know what you'd like me to do. :)
>
>- Pervinca
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jillian Baade [mailto:jilba25@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 2:16 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [MEFAwards] Re: Intros anyone?
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> And thanks for the invite, Ainae!

> Jillian, or Jilian Baade from FF.net here. Mostly write first
> age, and elves, but have dabbled in many things Tolkien.
>
> Looking forward to seeing how we get on.

> Oh, and a question: Can we nominate our own fics?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kate [mailto:bra_chan90@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 2:10 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Intros anyone?
>
> > Well, there are nine of us here now. Anyone want to introduce
> > themselves?
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I signed up the other night right before I went to bed, and
> then I went to a 21st last night, so I haven't been able to
> introduce myself until now!
>
> I'm Kate, though I usually go by the penname of Pervinca (or
> brachan90 on ff.net). I really liked the sound of these
> awards, so I joined up! I'm a hobbit-writer, and tend to
> favour the Tooks.

> Ainaechoiriel, I believe you were asking for volunteers to
> assist you with these awards, and I'd be happy to help. I'm
> not exactly sure how much of my time I can donate, but I'll
> do my best, even if it is just counting the votes. Let me
> know what you'd like me to do. :)

>
>
>So far, Gonzai and Jillian are the only members that I know do artwork as
>well as write. Do either of you (or anyone else here) work with graphics?
>
>I'm trying to promote the Awards and it would be great to have a banner or
>button to share with other websites. Parma Eruseen, for instance, has said
>they'd put info up on the Awards. I'd told them I'd be happy to link them.
>So a button-swap it should be.
>
>So anyone got the appropriate talent to come up with a button?
>
>--Ainaechoiriel
>
>"This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond said,
>"for
>it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.
>
>http://www.stormpages.com/gabrielle/lotr Land of Myth and Memory
>Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > Thank God for summer, or I probably couldn't manage the
> > reviewing part of these awards, is all I can say.
> >
> > Thanks, Ainae, for setting this up!
>
>You're welcome. So I'm guessing the Reading Season isn't too long for you?
>
>And now I see that Jillian and Sorne have arrived. I'm a little worried.
>Am I going to need to make an Orc category? ;-)
>
>--Ainaechoiriel
>MEFA Admin...still looking for volunteer Staff
>
>"This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond said,
>"for
>it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.
>
>http://www.stormpages.com/gabrielle/lotr Land of Myth and Memory
>Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

>
> Dwim and I corrected some spellings n the FAQ, so it is now version
> 1.1. Also, we replaced the secong Tar-Miriel Award (in Drama) with
> The Nimrodel and Amroth Award, though that one changed to 3rd Place,
> leaving Frodo Baggins for 2nd.
>
> Nothing else has changed thus far.
>
> --Ainaechoiriel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lindorien2000 [mailto:lindorien@cox.net]
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 1:30 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] About those awards
>
> Okay, perfect example here of needing explanation in short,
> clear sentences.
>
> those awards that are listed. Are they just the names of the
> awards you are giving out?

> I will save my other Very Stupid Question for later. Wouldn't
> want to convince anybody too soon that I have any clue what I
> am doing.
>
> Seriously.
>
> Next Very Stupid Question in a day or two. One never knows.
> Perhaps the light of divine insight shall visit me in the
> meantime I can avoid that doom.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Soledad [mailto:annaliess@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 3:44 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Greetings
>
> First of all, thanks for the invitation, Ainae. I appreciate
> that, for more reasons that I'd like to discuss at the moment. :))

>
> I also write in other fandoms, like Star Trek (original and
> Voyager), Babylon 5, Kindred: The Embraced, Buffy, Angel and
> the likes. I also run a Star Trek AU and Crossover group
> named Memory Alpha. English is my third language, my original
> fiction is written in my native Hungarian and in German.

> Ainae, if you can use any help that *doesn't* include web
> skills or any technical aspects, I'll be happy to contribute.
> Alas, with anything that is related to technical things, I'm
> completely hopeless. (I'm the person who can't even make
> pictures appear on her own Geocities site - you get the idea, eh?)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stella [mailto:lasselanta02@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 12:55 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] New Member, Hi All!!
>
> Hi to everyone,
> Thank you for appoving my request to join. This is a very
> cool idea, as there are not enough awards in the Tolkien
> fandom world, and those that exist seem to have the same
> winners year after year (but we won't go there).

>
> A little about me, as boring as it might be. I've been
> reading and writing for years uncounted. As much of it as I
> can for pleasure, but a whole heap of it has been in my
> chosen vocation. I fell under the spell of Lord of the Rings
> twenty years ago but never dared to write in that world until
> about four years ago.

> I post mainly at ff.net and Stories of Arda, but I have
> original work at fictionpress.com. While I'm rather
> "internet challenged" I would be happy to help in any way possible.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stella [mailto:lasselanta02@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 2:52 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Just a Suggestion
>
> Ainaechoiriel,
> I wanted to make a suggestion to you about the Awards website
> and if this has already been discussed and final decision
> made please just ignore me. I find the black background and
> orange lettering on the opening page very hard to read. I
> know young eyes probably have no difficulty, but we who are
> over 40 with our eyesight going rapidly to heck have a bit of
> a problem sorting out the words even with our coke bottle
> bottom glasses.

> The reason I mention this, is not only for me, but it can be
> detrimental to aquiring new members. If you can't read
> something comfortably, then you may not bother trying to find
> out what the site is about.

> Btw, I'd be happy to contact authors and count, I left my
> vote on your polls.

> Well, it's actually a dark green background with brownish

> idea less than a week ago. ;-)

> Just please not black and white.

> can take a photo and "emboss" it so it looks like etched metal.

> this site for an example of the embossed background:
> http://www.stormpages.com/gabrielle/travel/index.html

> Thank you! I've given you the illustrious title of Assistant
> Administrator.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stella [mailto:lasselanta02@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 3:35 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Just a Suggestion
>
> > Well, it's actually a dark green background with brownish
> lettering... ;-)
>
> Oh my word! Well doesn't that just tell you the state of my eyesight
> *g*

> And you've done a find job for such a short time.

> Agreed, just too boring. I've always liked the colors used
> at 'Stories of Arda', the background in particular is very easy on
> the eyes, something in that color range would be good. I looked at
> the colorchart page, but considering I see dark green as black maybe
> someone else should choose. :-)

> I've seen that site before, very interesting, however the lettering
> over the image gets a little busy and you run into the same problem
> of it being hard to decyhper. Maybe something like that could be
> done with the headers, if the lettering is larger and bolder.

> (Blushes) Wow, I've never been Assistant Administrator, I vow to try
> to live up to the title. (Ahh, what are my duties? oh mighty list mom)

>
> Most of the pages at http://mefawards.agreatserver.com have the

> background now. I've been experimenting though. I found a site

> free backgrounds. I haven't played around with Text Color too much

> Just backgrounds. Take a look at the following pages at the site

> above) and let me know what you think:
>
> Links (greenish side border)
>
> Staff (leaves)
>
> Q and A (leaf side border)
>

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "Stella" <lasselanta02@y...> wrote:
> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "Ainaechoiriel" <mefaadmin@e...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Most of the pages at http://mefawards.agreatserver.com have the
> parchment
> > background now. I've been experimenting though. I found a site
> with some
> > free backgrounds. I haven't played around with Text Color too
much
> yet.
> > Just backgrounds. Take a look at the following pages at the site
> (URL
> > above) and let me know what you think:
> >
> > Links (greenish side border)
> >
> > Staff (leaves)
> >
> > Q and A (leaf side border)
> >
>
>
> Oh yeah, that looks great. Very easy to read and the green borders
> look rather celtic, perfect.:-)
> Stella

> > I will save my other Very Stupid Question for later. Wouldn't
> > want to convince anybody too soon that I have any clue what I
> > am doing.
> >
> > Seriously.
> >
> > Next Very Stupid Question in a day or two. One never knows.
> > Perhaps the light of divine insight shall visit me in the
> > meantime I can avoid that doom.
> Don't worry about asking questions. It gives me insight into how I might
> update the main page of the web site and also add things to the Q and A
> page. Other people may have the same questions and just aren't brave

> to ask.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stella [mailto:lasselanta02@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 7:21 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Experimenting with backgrounds
>
> > Links (greenish side border)
>
> Oh yeah, that looks great. Very easy to read and the green
> borders look rather celtic, perfect.:-) Stella

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sulriel [mailto:Sulriel@htcomp.net]
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 8:17 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Experimenting with backgrounds
>
>
> http://www.theoriginalseries.com/earendilbackground.htm
>
> http://www.theoriginalseries.com/findrod1background.htm
>
> http://www.theoriginalseries.com/findrod2background.htm
>
> here are some Tolkienesque sample backgrounds ... apologies to
> Finrod for misspelling his name. I think Finrod1 is too contrasting
> and distracting. The others look better to me.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lindorien2000 [mailto:lindorien@cox.net]
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 8:41 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Just a Suggestion
>
> Okay, I'll stick my hand up as being a 'rapidly visually
> declining old person'.
> Don't let the Miss Clairol and Botox fool you, my ability to
> read in low light is rapidly passing into mere memory.
> Neither can I operate a computer in a darkened room. Further,
> I have actually found that there now are scripts too small
> for me to read - for when I bring it closer to discern, it
> all goes blurry.

>
> In other words...
>
> I'm Lindorien and I am 45 years old.

> That said, the parchment background is MUCH easier to read. I
> sorta don't like backgrounds at all though, because my eye
> finds them distracting. I was actually going to suggest black
> and white and then saw Ainae blanche. So will also mention
> the SoA colors are very easy on the eyes.

> Will also mention that vision decline was very rapid. One day
> I could see fine, and then the next I was holding things away
> from my eyes. I was 42. It was a depressing day.

> Yes yes - am planning to see an opthamologist soon.
>
> Yes yes - this has now gone off topic.

> I am old. My mind wanders.

>
> Those are nice, but I have a feeling the designs have something to

>
>

> >

> actually, the first is the emblem of Earendil (grandson of Turgon,
> father of Elrond/Elros .. not to mention the evening star) and the
> second and third are Finrod, admittedly Noldorin, but the one that
> discovered the Edain, and gave Barahir the Ring of Barahir. .. died
> saving Beren in Sauron's werewolf pit.

> But I really do like the parchment if you'll darken the font, I

> wanted to offer some alternatives.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lindorien2000 [mailto:lindorien@cox.net]
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 8:23 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: About those awards

> Actually, I probably should have just hopped in with both
> feet and asked that Very Stupid Question (VSQ) for I can no
> longer remember what it was.
>
> However, I shall substitute it with another VSQ...What
> exactly ARE the categories. I thought maybe the awards were
> the categories. But, apparently they are not. So what ARE the
> categories.

> As soon as I become Very Annoying, let me know and I shall
> sit quietly and try to figure it out on my own. Believe me -
> it is unlikely ANYBODY can get as confused as easily as I can.

> Go ask Dwim what she went through trying to explain where
> challenges go when they die, or what a nazgul is. I see there
> is new thing called Oliphaunts.
> I simply won't even go there.

> So Ainae (Is it all right to call you Ainae, because I am not
> at all certain how to spell your handle, nor how to pronounce
> it) at whatever point you decide that I am a hopeless case, I
> shall understand.

> In other words, the rules are probably so simple a seven year
> old could understand. So, if worse comes to worse, I'll have
> my twins go through them with me.

> Lindorien - who is hoping that in all of that, Ainae
> understands that she really can't figure out what the
> categories are, but further understands it is likely not a
> problem with how anything is worded.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dwimmer_laik [mailto:dwimmer_laik@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:16 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Dropping in briefly
>
> Hi!
>
> Thank God for summer, or I probably couldn't manage the
> reviewing part of these awards, is all I can say.
>
> Thanks, Ainae, for setting this up!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dwimmer_laik [mailto:dwimmer_laik@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 9:29 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Just a Suggestion
>
> Well, the parchment is certainly brighter than the green and brown.
> May make for a more cheerful reader.

> On the order of possibly silly suggestions, Ainae, do you
> think it might be a nice idea to put the website affiliated
> with this yahoo group up in the description of the group?
> Those of us who are having issues of "mailbox too full!" and
> who are deleting fast and furious tend to delete the postings
> that have the website address in them...

> Anyhow, looking good, everyone. This will be very helpful, I
> think, as it will *force* me to take notes as I read, a habit
> I tend not to cultivate outside of my studies.

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> MEFAwards group:
>
> Nominations: Public or Private? Should
> we make the list of nominations public
> on the MEFA web site? Or should it
> only be listed here, on the YahooGroup?
>
> o Public
> o Private
> o Not sure, let's discuss it

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Viv [mailto:spacellamaprincess@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 10:15 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: New poll for MEFAwards
>
> I think this poll question centers around the purpose of the awards.
> If you mean to act as a recommendation service for readers, a
> public listing of nominations is a great idea. If you are
> mostly concerned with gold-starring stories and writers,
> keeping nominations private is less work for you and has less
> chance of inviting complaints.

> On the order of possibly silly suggestions, Ainae, do you think it
> might be a nice idea to put the website affiliated with this yahoo
> group up in the description of the group? Those of us who are having
> issues of "mailbox too full!" and who are deleting fast and furious
> tend to delete the postings that have the website address in

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kate [mailto:bra_chan90@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 3:00 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Volunteering
>
> I have officially offered my services to these awards! Lol. I
> definitely agree, though, that there should be more than one
> vote counter - maybe three, and gather an average, or
> something like that.

> I'm also offering to help categorize the stories, but I dunno
> how well I'll do at that. I'm the sort of person who has
> trouble trying to decide (sometimes) what to category to post
> her own stories under!

> Oh, I also have a question. This may have been on the FAQ,
> but I can't remember. Do the story nominations have to be
> completed works?
> I know of one or two fabulous (hobbity :P) stories that
> aren't yet finished. I can understand, however, if you'd
> prefer completed works.

> I really hope other people are planning on nominating
> themselves, because I'd hate to be the only one guilty of SSP!

> We presently have five Staff volunteers (besides myself), so thanks

> Nerwen, Viv. Soledad, Stella, and Pervinca. We'll be putting you

> work shortly. ;-) Contacting authors will be the first order of

> but categorizing will fall in quickly. Vote counting, of course,

> happen until Voting Season, though we might have a few practice

> callibrate ourselves, so to speak.
>
> What could we use more of? Author contacting could use a few

> not critical, but the more we have the less work we each have to

> counting can always take more. Then we can divide up by categories

> spread the workload.
>
> No one has checked the Moderating task. I can't see it as beingtoo

> work here. Just approving new members when they show up and

> cool. Presently, I've not denied anyone membership. We just want

> sure there are no sock puppets (duplicate members) and other such

>
> I recently had another thought. I could probably use some help

> nominations. But then I do have these Obsessive Compulsive

> probably want to put everything into an Excel spreadsheet so they

> organized by category and then title. ;-)
>
> --Ainaechoiriel
>
> "This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond

> it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.
>
> http://www.stormpages.com/gabrielle/lotr Land of Myth and Memory
> Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sulriel [mailto:Sulriel@htcomp.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 1:15 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Volunteers
>
>
>
> sorry, I thought I offered earlier and didn't get assigned
> yet. I'm not good at picking a job, just let me know where
> you need me.
>

>
> Ah, yes, I do blanche. I just hate a plain B&W site. Would you consider
> the parchment or one of the others if they had black or another very dark
> text?

> My MAE is 32 and her mind has wandered for years! Moreso since the
> MegaStress. Why just this evening she locked her keys in her car. Again. At
> least it wasn't running this time.
>
> --Ainaechoiriel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lindorien2000 [mailto:lindorien@cox.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 2:35 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Just a Suggestion
>

>
> Probably anything that makes the other 'visually challenged
> old person'
> happy will make me happy.

> BTW, Gray hair does go coarse, but not after it is colored.
> Try natural instincts
> - its semi-permanent and is WONDERFUL for the hair.

>
> Well - let us just say, it wasn't pretty. So use a good
> quality semi-permanent color. Don't try and go lighter, just
> blend with your natural color. - No coarseness.

> And those are our beauty tips for the day, ladies.

> Now then - further proof of my age and also in general
> complete stupidity regarding pop culture...
>
> What does MAE mean? And 32 is a spring chicken.

>
> >
> > sorry, I thought I offered earlier and didn't get assigned
> > yet. I'm not good at picking a job, just let me know where
> > you need me.
> >
>
> Sorry if I missed you. My memory does tend to get a bit flaky.

>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sulriel [mailto:Sulriel@htcomp.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 6:25 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Volunteers
>
>
> sniffer I'll be ... I just got back from the store with a
> load of sinus pills, so point me in a direction.

> .... love the feeling of Power ... POOOOWEERRR!!!! .... /ahem/

> (do I get a pretty ring to wear?)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 10:43 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] New file uploaded to MEFAwards
>
>
> Hello,
>
> This email message is a notification to let you know that a
> file has been uploaded to the Files area of the MEFAwards group.
>
> File : /Rules and FAQs/sock-puppet.txt
> Uploaded by : ainaechoiriel <mefaadmin@earthlink.net>
> Description : No-Duplicate Members Policy

> Just thought I'd mention here that I added a bit to the Vote Tips
> document in the Files section. I can't believe I left out the
> biggest tip:
>
> "Vote early! What do I mean by that? As you read a story during
> Nomination Season and Reading Season, write your comments and save
> them in a file on your hard drive. Then when Voting Season comes,
> you need only copy and paste your votes into the ballot. You
> can 'vote early' all year long for next year!"

> This is the one hard, draconian rule we have here at the MEFAs. I

> it to the texts that get sent to users as they join. This is the

> that is "unforgivable". And we hope it never occurs here so we

> to enforce this rule.
>
> Please give it a read, just to be clear.
>
> I now return you to your regularly scheduled positive atmosphere.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --Ainaechoiriel
>

> If you would, could you do two things for me? 1) Introduce yourselves. I
> want this to be a friendly place. And 2) Read over the FAQ and the
> Nomination Form. We only have a short time to make any changes that

> be necessary.
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marta [mailto:MartaL0712@netscape.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 8:33 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Welcome to the list!
>
> > If you would, could you do two things for me? 1) Introduce
> yourselves.
> > I want this to be a friendly place. And 2) Read over the
> FAQ and the
> > Nomination Form. We only have a short time to make any changes that
> might
> > be necessary.
> >
>
> As to #2 -- I've glanced over it, and it looks good.

> As for #1. Many of you already know me, but in case you
> don't. I'm Marta. Over at Henneth-Annun.net I'm one of the
> two Challenge Managers,

> and I of course write my own fanfic
> (have been writing Tolkienverse for around thirteen months
> now). I did write some DS9 fanfic back in high school,

> but
> that was strictly offline, and I won't be sharing it any time
> (it's pretty bad).

> At any rate, I'm looking forward to helping however I can.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Soledad [mailto:annaliess@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 7:13 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: New file uploaded to MEFAwards
>
> An excellent rule, Ainae! This way a lot of bad blood can be avoided.
> I'm liking your Awards more and more with every new addendum.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kate [mailto:bra_chan90@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 5:53 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: More inbox stuffing.... No really
>
> And, now, it's back to the books *grumbles about her lousy anatomy
> exam*

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lindorien2000 [mailto:lindorien@cox.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 8:24 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Reference sock-puppets
>
> Thanks for posting that, Ainae. Somebody had made mention of
> sock-puppets and your explanation saved me the embarrassment
> of adding the VSQ to my list of them:
>
> What is a sock-puppet?

> Also, what is a MEA? - you can answer me in email if you
> want. No doubt everybody else in the world knows what that is.

> Regarding public nominations. Since I ran screeching from the
> Mithrils because the nominations list was not public, I voted
> for public nomination.

> Now then - the COMMENTS don't have to be public. I mean,
> nobody has to know that somebody's fic had absolute pages of
> expository adulation written about it to some fic of mine
> getting; "Pretty good story".

> So maybe keep the comments private until the end and then
> whoever the 'winners' are could have all their great
> commentary made public and nobody has to know my fics got no
> more than a cursory, "very nice."

> hehe - now then you don't have to make it known who the
> nominators are.
> Then we can all maintain the illusion that it was our adoring
> public and not ourselves who nominated our fics.

> Okay - should I have any other pearls of wisdom or proofs of
> personal idiocy to add, I shall.

> I have this picture of you quivering in your shoes thinking
> "please, Eru, do not let Lindorien volunteer to help, for I
> shall not live long enough trying to explain to her how this
> thing works."

> I shall not volunteer, unless you think there is a unique
> place that a person who can barely find her way around the
> new HASA might be of use. If that is the case - then my
> simple mind and open heart are held open for you.

> Believe me, I won't be insulted if you choose to pass that offer up.
>
> You are probably wondering how one of such simple and easily
> confused mind managed to get as far as I have.

> You are not alone.

> > As for #1. Many of you already know me, but in case you
> > don't. I'm Marta. Over at Henneth-Annun.net I'm one of the
> > two Challenge Managers,
>
>
> Oh, you. Hmmm...maybe I'm not so glad....

> Just kidding! Just keep the
> nuzgul-flinging to a minimum over here. We'll have our hands full

> than a week as it is! ;-)

> By the way, I flung one toward the hutch, but
> couldn't find the hutch's door. I could only find a Suggest a

> I flung it there.
>

> > and I of course write my own fanfic
> > (have been writing Tolkienverse for around thirteen months
> > now). I did write some DS9 fanfic back in high school,
>
> Woohoo!
>
> > but
> > that was strictly offline, and I won't be sharing it any time
> > (it's pretty bad).
>
> Well, now that Tolkienverse has sharpened your skills, will you be

> up a pin for the Niners again anytime soon?

>And hey, if you don't have
> enough to read, can I interest you in my stuff? (SSP, of course)
>

> > At any rate, I'm looking forward to helping however I can.
>
> Well, I think I've said we could use more vote counters. And then

> PR people, which I only just thought of in reply to Lindorien.

> somewhere else that we could use a few more to categorize or to contact
> authors? Ah, my aching memory. It was one of the two.
>

>
> Anywho, welcome to the madness!!
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stella [mailto:lasselanta02@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 10:51 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] A Question
>
> As to contacting Authors, there are some authors from my
> other group whose stories I would like to nominate. Can I go
> ahead and get their permission now, to sort of get a jump on
> the process? And what kind of contact proof would you want
> when I put in their nominations once the forum is open? Or
> would you need it since I'm going to be one of the persons
> contacting authors?

>
> Also, great statement added to the FAQ about the vote
> stacking, while I hate to think anyone does this, it's good
> to be up front about it and to be serious about the penalty.
>
> Stella
> (Who likes the leaf border too)
>
>
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>
>
> Well, since you are an official author contactor, I suppose it's

> And (I do like that word!) be sure to suggest they join the group

> participate themselves!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marta [mailto:MartaL0712@netscape.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 10:21 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Welcome to the list!
>
> Completely random comment, but the internet radio station I'm
> listening to just played "Concerning Hobbits." So I'm smiling.
> Something about hearing the soundtrack songs on the radio,
> when I'm not expecting it, just makes me very happy.
>
> Yes, I know I'm easily entertained. Onto the business at hand.

>
> > Just kidding! Just keep the
> > nuzgul-flinging to a minimum over here. We'll have our hands full
> in less
> > than a week as it is! ;-)
>
> No problem. I keep my nuzgul-flinging activities confined to HASA.
> That's not to say I won't use the knowledge gained of your
> likes and dislikes to achieve my own, CM-related objectives.

> Would that be the "An Elf Can Hear the Stones?" one? If so,
> it's in the Hutch.

> > Well, now that Tolkienverse has sharpened your skills, will you be
> picking
> > up a pin

> > for the Niners again anytime soon?

> Heh. You see this nuzgul list? (Marta holds up several sheets
> of paper filled with scrabbled plot ideas) DS9 can join the
> list. The bottom of the list. Meaning it's gonna be a while. ;-)

> I always have enough to read, but that doesn't mean I
> wouldn't be willing to read some of your DS9 stories. Do you
> have any particular suggestions? Feel free to contact me
> off-list if you'd rather.

> I'll be glad to help. Contacting authors sounds doable, or
> counting votes, or whatever. I will have significantly more
> time in about two weeks. (Last final is Monday May 10.)

> > Anywho, welcome to the madness!!
> >
>
> Madness? It should fit in quite well with the rest of my life, then.

> So today, I've put out the call for PR people and just now I've

> PR people would contact fanfic archives and message boards and the

> I think 1-3 PR people would be a good range. But then, what do I

> Can you help me?
>
> I'm sorry for being such a stupid git, but I seem to remember that
> there was a page somewhere where you explained what the various

> names actually meant (categories and such). Now I wanted to take a
> second look at it (with the evil hidden agenda to nominate some of

> own stuff if possible) and can't find it.
>
> Has it been taken down or am I simply an idiot? If - what is the

> likely case - the latter is true, can you point me into the right
> direction?

> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "Ainaechoiriel" <mefaadmin@e...>
> wrote:

> I'm not exactly sure how much I can contribute, but if you want
> someone on the other side of the planet, I'd certainly qualify.

> already alerted the Edhellond group, and I'll put up some
> advertisment on my LJ as well, if you want me. The only message

> where I'm more or less active is Chaos Citadel, but how much *that*
> would bring, I'm not entirely sure.

>We can build a table in
> the Database area for keeping track of who has been contacted and

> has not.
>
> Yeah, that'd be certainly practical.

> Well, in that case I'll have to disappoint you. I'm not a PR

> either - a lack of gifts I sometimes feel keenly in my civilian
> profession. But hey, we do our best, don't we?

> Well, I did just move it, but I didn't change the file location,

>
> Otherwise, they are in the FAQ.

> --Ainaechoiriel
> who has lost connection to her home computer. Sigh.

> Than a Moderator you shall be. Mostly your duties will entail
> approving new members and generally keeping the peace. If I can get
> back to my home computer, I'll send you some more information
> privately. Thanks!

> Done. I've entered what I can get or remember from the ones that

> Exactly. I didn't mean to imply that somone had to be a

> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "ainaechoiriel" <mefaadmin@e...>
> wrote:
>
> Yes, I found the listing at the first time, too, that's not my
> problem. But I seem to remember that there was some sort of
> explanation to the individual award names, like which one was for
> Silmarillion-based stories, or for Elven stories or for Gondor-
> related ones or Hobbits or stuff.

> Autsch! Hopefully, it doesn't mean that you have lost any data as
> well?

> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "ainaechoiriel" <mefaadmin@e...>
> wrote:

> You are welcome. I'm glad I can help. More info is good, too, but

> prepared that I might have other stupid questions. Understanding
> written instructions is *not* one of my strengths, not even in my

> language. :((

> Oh, dear! That must be annoying!

> Whatever rocks your boat. I'm just happy to be part of this thing.

> In that case, I hereby innaugurate you as our first Promotion
> Representative!

> I'll get that up on the staff page tonight.

> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "ainaechoiriel" <mefaadmin@e...>
> wrote:
>
> > In that case, I hereby innaugurate you as our first Promotion
> > Representative!
>
> Wow! Sounds... important, whatever it is. <g>

> BTW, I posted a link to the award page on the Edhellond newsletter

> well (this is the page where we announce story updates, news about
> the Edhellond and the Dúnadan Project archives and stuff).
> Unfortunately, the Edhellond archive is clinically dead at the
> moment, due to technical difficulties. :(( But I can ask Casey to

> up a link in the DP archive.

> BTW, shoud we also mention on the data table the Yahoo groups we

> contacted, or only the archives?

> Hi Everyone!

> Sorne and Enros both here - we're a bit like Smeagol and Gollum for

> you who haven't met us before :)
> Sorne writes romantic and angsty fluff, and Enros writes dark, orc-

> stuff, often violent and disturbing. All of our stuff can be found

> Henneth-Annun, although not all of it in the public archive, most

> also at FF.net, Sorne's epic has it's own website with artwork by

> talented Anna K, and Enros' stuff is in various Orc archives.
> Since buying my horse about a year ago, I have had a lot less time

> writing, but I still love it, and still do it.
> Very pleased to be here among such illustrious company :)

> Sorne/Enros
>
> PS Enros probably would appreciate an Orc category, but not if

> to be the only one in it! LOL!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nerwen_calaelen [mailto:nerwen_calaelen@yahoo.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 3:44 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Intros anyone?
>
> Hi
>
> I'm another new person. I usually go by Nerwen or Nerwen
> Calaelen in fanfic, Jennifer in real life. I still count
> myself as a relative newcomer to fanfic, having been involved
> for a little over a year.

> I decided to come and get involed because I liked the idea
> for these awards in that it sounds friendly and that anyone's
> stories can be entered and will get feedback.

> I've said in the poll that I'm prepared to help, but that
> does partly depend on where I actually am by the voting time.
> (I'm a student and finish university this summer).

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Soledad [mailto:annaliess@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:17 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] A few questions
>
> Yes, I1ve finally gone through the FAQ with the fine-toothed
> comb - does it tell anything about me when I admit that I had
> to print it out first to find all details I needed? I guess
> it does... *sighs*
>
> Anyway, I'd like to ask a few additional questions. The
> answer probably is already in there, but be merciful with my
> lacking language skills. Better ask twice stupidly than make
> mistakes, right?

>
> So, here it comes.
>
> I. ELIGIBILITY
> 4. Stories may compete in only one category.
> Q: Can the same author have two or more stories in the same
> category if nominated?

> III. NOMINATION FORM
> B. Preferred Fields.
> Q: What is a sub-category? Is it, for example, "Men" in the
> Races & Places" category?

> IV. CATEGORIZATION
> A. All category set up by a lower level can be changed by a
> higher level.
> Q: Does this mean that the staff can put a story in a
> different category if they find that it has been nominated
> for the wrong one?

>
> V. VOTING
> 3. Tie Breakers
> Q#1: What is a tie, to begin with? (Aside from being a piece
> of clothing for men, of course...)

> Q#2: What does point d) mean? My trusted old dictionary lay
> its weapons down facing that sentence. Of course, it is a
> *really* old edition...

>
> VI SCHEDULE
> B. Check Ballot Season
> Q: What is a check ballot? I mean, I do have a vague idea
> about what it *might* be (after an hour and a half spent with
> going through all documents with coloured pencils and stuff),
> but I'm still not entirely sure.

> I'm sorry for being so bothersome, but you must understand
> that certain expressions that seem completely normal for a
> native speaker can be a puzzle for me. *ducks*

> Yes. Remember the rule for a viable category is 5 stories by at

> Those will most likely be made by us, though the nomintor can

> Basically they divide a category down further. Some examples:
> Category Romance, subcategory Slash.
> Category Men, subcategory Gondor.
> Category Silm, subcategory 2nd Age.
> Category Horror, subcategory Orcs.

> Yes, and an author can override as well. Or say an author corrects

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Soledad [mailto:annaliess@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 1:19 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Questions & a suggestion

>
> > Those will most likely be made by us, though the nomintor can
> suggest this.
> > Basically they divide a category down further. Some examples:
> > Category Romance, subcategory Slash.
> > Category Men, subcategory Gondor.
> > Category Silm, subcategory 2nd Age.
> > Category Horror, subcategory Orcs.
>
> I see. Can I suggest a Mystery category or subcategory? I've
> seen people categorizing their stories as Mystery a few
> times. And I could think of a few plots that would fit: Dagor
> Dagorath stories, for example, as there are only rumours and
> prophecies concerning that event.

> Thanks for clearing up the other questions. I'll skip them as
> I now do understand the details and don't want to take up
> valuable space.

> Soledad,
> who is enjoying this whole thing way too much <g>

----- Original Message -----
From: Ainaechoiriel

> Hello, Nerwen and thanks for volunteering to help.
So what have you
> thought of this phenomenon called fanfiction?

Amazed - both by how much stuff there is and how good
and bad it can be.
I'm so glad that I decided to stay around - I
discovered it totally by
accident - and now couldn't really imagin leaving
soon. Looking back I'm
suprised how little time it took me to become involved
and make friends ...
and how much more confidence I now have in my writing.

> Does that mean you'll be graduating? What do you
study, if I may ask?

Yes. Down to my last month or so and only exams left
to go. Maths - Pure
and a little bit of Statistics.

Nerwen






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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Soledad [mailto:annaliess@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:53 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Mystery award names
>
> Randomly inspired by Michael Marinez' article "Cryptic Tales of
> Middle-earth":
>
> "The Shadows of Cuiviénen Award" - as this was the birthplace
> of Elves and their first experience of mystery and fear; "The
> Barrow-Wight Award" - as we never really learned what these
> were; "The Púkel-men Award" - another mysterious people,
> existing only as withered statues in the Third Age;

> Well, these are probably not the most clever ones, but a
> beginning anyway.

> Any other ideas, anybody?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jodancingtree [mailto:jodancingtree@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:55 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] This sounds *so* good!
>
> Just want to say thank you for coming up with this - I love
> the idea of awards that are all about feedback. I treasure
> every comment I receive about my stories - even the negative
> ones at least show that someone took the time to read it!

> I don't want to go and volunteer to do stuff I don't know how
> to do, or won't have time to do - and yet, I don't want to
> just sit here and let everyone else do all the work. I guess
> I could help categorize, if you still need that (although
> here I sit, wondering where on earth I would nominate my
> newest story. Would you consider taking Orcs out of the
> Horror category? They're not always horrible - besides my
> own Canohando, I've met a couple of other fanfic orcs who
> were quite - er - engaging...)

> Anyhow, I think this whole MEF Awards process sounds like a
> ton of fun, and I'm glad to be involved.

>
> Well, those are rather mysterious, I'll grant you. Let's make this
> official:
>
> Soledad has motioned for a new Mystery Category with the award

> Shadows of Cuivienen Award, The Barrow-Wight Award, and The Pukel-

> Award."
>
> If someone (other than myself) will second it, and we get two more

> (so basically four people have to want this, Soledad is one), I

> this an official Category!

> same answer I gave Soledad for Mysteries. To make a Category, we'd

> have to have at least 5 stories by at least 2 authors (Sorne/Enros

> writes Orc stories)*and* 3 new Awards Titles. And we have to have

> figured out by well, today. Tomorrow at the very latest. I could

> as The Uruk Hai Award, perhaps, but we'd still need two others.

> that up to your Orc-folk to figure out.

>>The Shagrat and The Gorbag Awards,

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "Stella" <lasselanta02@y...> wrote:
> As for Orcs, I'll give you the
> > same answer I gave Soledad for Mysteries. To make a Category,
we'd
> not only
> > have to have at least 5 stories by at least 2 authors
(Sorne/Enros
> also
> > writes Orc stories)*and* 3 new Awards Titles. And we have to have
> that
> > figured out by well, today. Tomorrow at the very latest. I
could
> see one
> > as The Uruk Hai Award, perhaps, but we'd still need two others.
> I'll leave
> > that up to your Orc-folk to figure out.
>
> How about The Shagrat and The Gorbag Awards, named after our two
> favorite Captains at the Tower of Cirith Ungol?
>
> I've read some really fine snuggly (bleech) orc stories *g*.
>
> Stella

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chathol-linn [mailto:chathollinn@comcast.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:45 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Hello, MEFA!
>
> I have just joined this group. It sounds exciting, and I'd
> like to thank the owner and administrators for all their efforts.
>
> I first read LotR at age 16 and was knocked out by the rich
> detail, especially the invention of actual languages. I loved
> and still love the Elves most of all. Peter Jackson's first
> film in the trilogy, FotR, caught my imagination more than
> any movie has to date, and I'm a serious movie buff. I
> started writing fan fiction in February, 2002. I love to
> take the little-known areas of M-E and fill in the gaps. My
> favorite characters are Arwen (easily the superior to Juliet
> as a dramatic love interest, in my opinion) Elrond, a tragic
> figure, Legolas, and a long list of others. My literary
> influences are JRRT of course, Shakespeare, Marion Zimmer
> Bradley, Stephen King (especially his book "On Writing"), the
> legends of Robin Hood, the King Arthur legends, and readings
> in mythology, especially western European.
>
> Best of luck to everyone who is entered in the contest. I
> love to get e-mail. Feel free to drop me a line to chat,
> either on list or at chathollinn@comcast.net.
> Regards - Chathol-linn
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: lindorien2000 [mailto:lindorien@cox.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:05 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Volunteering
>
> Hi Ainae,
> I am traveling so am reading sporadically and quickly
> everything. I shall happily help with anything you think I
> won't screw up.

> I'm not certain what it is you wanted me to do, however.
> Small sentences, remember? I, um, actually know very little
> about the fandom or about various fan sites or fanlists. I
> wouldn't even know where to find them.

> So maybe I should count things? Because nobody really knows
> me out there and if I showed up on a list and tried to
> explain these things, I'd probably get them wrong and
> everybody would be saying, 'And who IS this person anyway?' I
> am still trying to work it out myself.

> and - the new award names sound fine. Now then there is a new
> mystery category, but it doesn't have to be about the Pukel
> men and Barrow-wights? The story, I mean. Those are just the
> names of the awards for those categories?

>
> Exactly, just the award names. Did we get the other two people to

>

>
> CHOICES AND RESULTS
> - A, Parchment, black text, 1 votes, 12.50%
> - B. Leaf border, black text, 4 votes, 50.00%
> - C. Green border, Black text, 3 votes, 37.50%

> PS Enros probably would appreciate an Orc category, but not if

> to be the only one in it! LOL!

>
> There have been two motions for new categories: Mystery and Orcs.
>
> Mystery has the required three Award Titles. It has been motioned

> seconded. It now needs just two more Aye votes. [How this happens

> change next year. But this year I'm just making stuff up as I go

> ]
>
> Orc has two good Awards Titles or one, depending on how it goes.

> been motioned and seconded. It now needs to finalize the Titles and

> more Aye votes.
>
> Both polls will conclude in just under 24 hours as we want the

> finalized by the time Nomination Season starts.
>
> Those who motioned and seconded should not vote in these polls.
>
> --Ainaechoiriel
>
> "This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond

> it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.
>
> http://www.stormpages.com/gabrielle/lotr Land of Myth and Memory
> Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> Eye and....pox, can't think of a third....

> Let me pry under a few stones and see if I can persuade any more

> authors' to join us....
>
> If you still need list moderators (I'm in the UK) then I can

> that, but it would be unrealistic of me to take on anything else,

> pretty maxed out at the moment and what free time I do have I need

> for writing.

> Well you could have three places where different types of Orcs hang

> Moria, Isengard and Mordor; or you could have three of the big

> Orcdom - Ugluk, Grishnak and Shagrat; The three fortresses:

> Barad-dur (Lugburtz) and Minas Morgul. Orc emblems: The White

> Eye and....pox, can't think of a third....

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kate [mailto:bra_chan90@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 5:02 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] A quick note
>
> I was going to make a suggestion for the title of the Orc
> awards, but somebody beat me to Grishnak :P

>
> However, I do have a suggestion for another award. In another
> fanfiction awards thing that I have taken part in (for
> another fandom), they had two overall awards, that each of
> the winners in the categories were eligeble for. I realise
> that these awards are more about feedback than anything else,
> but what would everyone think about having a Best Epic and
> Best Short Story awards. I figured that "The Red Book Award"
> would do well enough for the Epic category.
> I don't have a good suggestion for the short story - except
> something to do with halflings, 'cos they're short :P - and
> I'd love to hear any other suggestions!

> As for another humorous character to replace Quickbeam,
> personally, I always found that Gandalf always amused me.
> Gandalf the Grey, of course, I mean there! I also might
> suggest the Gaffer, Samwise or Barliman Butterbur (all of
> which have their own comical moments!)

> Oh, and Ainae, I want to correct you on something. Don't feel
> too bad, because I'm quite obsessive when it comes to the
> Tooks. You have the third hobbit awards listed as "The Thain
> of Tookborough" award.
> The actual name of the town that I think you mean is
> Tuckborough, and there isn't such a title as the Thain of
> Tuckborough. The Thain is of the Shire, though I suppose the
> Thain of Tookland or the Thain of the Great Smials would work
> too. Again, I say don't feel too bad - I'm sure I'm the only
> one who picked up on that, and it's only because of my
> (somewhat fanatic) love for the family of Master Peregrin!

> Well, that note didn't end up being so quick after all!

> You know the poll says 5 votes for needs more discussion, but I
> haven't seen any discussion here. What I'd hope for is enough
> discussion to completely eliminate that third choice so we're only
> left with Public or Private.
>
> Now, I posted a post some time ago to start the disucssion. Let's
> start discussing it. I think, I'm going to be changing some dates on
> the polls as they are just out too far and I'm too impatient. ;-)
>
> --Ainaechoiriel

>
> And from a purely practical standpoint, since nominations are not
> limited to just the best fics you can think of,

> someone to win two for the same story.
>
> And if we did that, wouldn't we need "Best Poem" as well?

>
> That said, we do keep the Overall Best Author award and the Best

> Author award. I don't think we can do the latter here as we're New
> awards to begin with. But we could institute The JRR Tolkien Award
> for Overall Best Author. And then next year come up with something
> for New Author and say that have to have posted their first LOTR-
> based (or Silm/Hobbit)) story between May 1, 2--4 and April 30, 2005

>>
> Such would be my arguments for publicity at all levels, not just the
> nomination stage.
>
> Dwim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stella [mailto:lasselanta02@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 11:41 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Nominations: Public or Private.
> Discussion needed.
>
> >>
> > Such would be my arguments for publicity at all levels, not
> just the
> > nomination stage.
> >
> > Dwim
>
>
> Well said, I can't add anything to this opinion as it hits
> every point I can think of. I agree with all of it, one of
> the things that will distingish this set of awards is the
> openness of them and the fact that the winners are derived
> from the comments of the readers.
>
> Stella

> -----Original Message-----
> From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 12:46 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] New poll for MEFAwards
>
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> MEFAwards group:
>
> Vote Counters: We presently have 8,
> with 16 categories, that's 2 apiece,
> but we want three people per category
> and we want them to overlap. Which
> means, ideally, we would want 32 vote
> counters. When we hit 16 new
> volunteers (please, please, please), I
> will close this poll. You will be
> volunteering to count just two
> categories, if my brain did the math
> right.
>
> o Yes, I can help! Sign me up!
> o Sorry, I just don't think I can.
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MEFAwards/surveys?id=1219521
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jo Dancingtree [mailto:jodancingtree@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 12:51 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MEFAwards] Public or Private Archiving of Comments
>
> I think I'd like to see the comments public - as you said, to
> encourage more reading by the entire fandom. And to
> encourage writers to improve their writing - to see what
> works for readers, and what doesn't, and not only in my own stories.