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Thanks for posting that, Ainae. Somebody had made mention of sock-puppets
and your explanation saved me the embarrassment of adding the VSQ to my
list of them:

What is a sock-puppet?

Also, what is a MEA? - you can answer me in email if you want. No doubt
everybody else in the world knows what that is.

Regarding public nominations. Since I ran screeching from the Mithrils
because the nominations list was not public, I voted for public nomination.
Now then - the COMMENTS don't have to be public. I mean, nobody has to
know that somebody's fic had absolute pages of expository adulation written
about it to some fic of mine getting; "Pretty good story".

So maybe keep the comments private until the end and then whoever the
'winners' are could have all their great commentary made public and nobody
has to know my fics got no more than a cursory, "very nice."

hehe - now then you don't have to make it known who the nominators are.
Then we can all maintain the illusion that it was our adoring public and not
ourselves who nominated our fics.

Okay - should I have any other pearls of wisdom or proofs of personal idiocy
to add, I shall.

I have this picture of you quivering in your shoes thinking "please, Eru, do not
let Lindorien volunteer to help, for I shall not live long enough trying to explain
to her how this thing works."

I shall not volunteer, unless you think there is a unique place that a person
who can barely find her way around the new HASA might be of use. If that is
the case - then my simple mind and open heart are held open for you.

Believe me, I won't be insulted if you choose to pass that offer up.

You are probably wondering how one of such simple and easily confused
mind managed to get as far as I have.

You are not alone.

Lindorien

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lindorien2000 [mailto:lindorien@cox.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 8:24 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Reference sock-puppets
>
> Thanks for posting that, Ainae. Somebody had made mention of
> sock-puppets and your explanation saved me the embarrassment
> of adding the VSQ to my list of them:
>
> What is a sock-puppet?

That is explained in the document I uploaded called sock-puppet.txt.
Basically, it's a second you. You have signed up with your lindorien2000
profile. If you have or set up a second YahooID/profile so you could use it
to get more votes, that second profile would be your sock-puppet. It's a
way to cheat.

> Also, what is a MEA? - you can answer me in email if you
> want. No doubt everybody else in the world knows what that is.

Nope. I don't even know what it is. I think it must be a typo, either of
MAE (Mortal Alter ego) or MEFA (Middle-Earth Fanfiction Awards).

> Regarding public nominations. Since I ran screeching from the
> Mithrils because the nominations list was not public, I voted
> for public nomination.

I saw that. Not that *you* voted, but that someone else had.

> Now then - the COMMENTS don't have to be public. I mean,
> nobody has to know that somebody's fic had absolute pages of
> expository adulation written about it to some fic of mine
> getting; "Pretty good story".

Here I disagree. It's those comments on alt.startrek.creative that drove
some people who hadn't to read my stories. Just as some of those comments
made me think, "Wow. That must be a great story. I should go read it."

I think they will definitely be "public" to this list. In other words,
you'll cast you vote by posting them to the list in reply to the ballot.
But we don't have to make them public on the web-site.
Alt.startrek.creative doesn't do that. However, anyone can come by the
newsgroup at awards time and read them. There's no security keeping anyone
from lurking. There is security here in thisYahooGroup, but I do have the
archives set to public.

> So maybe keep the comments private until the end and then
> whoever the 'winners' are could have all their great
> commentary made public and nobody has to know my fics got no
> more than a cursory, "very nice."

You never know, you might get some great comments, too. Alas, I have been
on both sides of that coin. I have had four or five page-long votes for my
magnum opis of a Trek story and then just two tiny comments for the end of
my trilogy. Sigh. (I did get a third from someone who had voted too late,
missing the deadline. It wasn't tiny and it was really wonderful and could
have put me in third place. Sigh again.)

> hehe - now then you don't have to make it known who the
> nominators are.
> Then we can all maintain the illusion that it was our adoring
> public and not ourselves who nominated our fics.

Absolutely, I don't see posting the nominator's name along with a list of
nominees to the web site. The only way anyone could see that is to read the
archives here. Nominations, like votes, will be posted to this list. And,
like I said, don't feel bad about nominating your own. I'm going to
nominate mine. Nominations here are not like nominations at the Mithrils.
We are just building a pool of stories for the vote. Alt.startrek.creative
has one built in. We do not, so we have to build one. We can all just
throw our stoires in the ring. It has no bearing on how they'll do. I plan
to throw mine and a whole bunch of others in. I'm going to go through my
favorites on ff.net, look at my review history there, my recommendations on
HASA, etc. If I liked it, I'm going to nominate it, unless someone else
beats me to it.

As I understand it, at the Mithrils, the number of nominations your story
gets might make a difference on whether or not your story makes it to the
Short List. Not so here. I've got a table all set up in the Database area
for story nominations. I'm hoping nominators will check there first before
nominating a story. One nomination is plenty. No need to double up.

And if you look at the table, I don't think there's a field for Nominator.
So that will be nearly-private.

> Okay - should I have any other pearls of wisdom or proofs of
> personal idiocy to add, I shall.

Do, please. As I've said on HA, discussion makes my mind go. So when you're
asking these questions, it gets my mind going. I may have explained
something here that I hadn't thought of before you asked.

I'm going to add to either the FAQ or another document information on how
nominations and votes will take place, in plainer English.

> I have this picture of you quivering in your shoes thinking
> "please, Eru, do not let Lindorien volunteer to help, for I
> shall not live long enough trying to explain to her how this
> thing works."

Not at all!

> I shall not volunteer, unless you think there is a unique
> place that a person who can barely find her way around the
> new HASA might be of use. If that is the case - then my
> simple mind and open heart are held open for you.

Well, the simplest job I can think of right now is contacting authors. Or
Promotion. Hadn't thought of that one. I've been sending e-mails to some
fanfic archives owners to see if they'd put a blurb or button up about the
MEFA's. Would you be willing to take on that task? I can tell you who I've
contacted already. You could go find other archives and ask them. I can
provide you with the blurbs and the buttons. You could be the PR guro of
the list!

> Believe me, I won't be insulted if you choose to pass that offer up.
>
> You are probably wondering how one of such simple and easily
> confused mind managed to get as far as I have.

:-P I don't know how far that is.

> You are not alone.

You have got to be the humblest person I've ever met. :-)

--Ainaechoiriel

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it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.

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