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Now the question is what do we do about it?

We mistakenly gave SilvermoonLady the 3rd place Award for Hobbits
(General), when it should have gone to Ariel for "Of Dwarvish Ale and
the Fairer Sex."

The lattter had 23 points while SilvermoonLady's had 21. Somehow we
overlooked it. Or rather, I did. Either way, I'm very sorry.

So, of course, Ariel should go ahead and get the Thain award banner
for it. But what do we do about Silvermoon Lady? Do we tell her she
must give it up? Or do we let them both keep them? The latter
wouldn't really be fair because it tied with another story and the
other story wasn't mistakenly given 3rd place (because the tie was
broken).

SilvermoonLady, Ariel (if you're out there?) What do you want to do?

--Ainaechoiriel
MEFA Admin and Founder

"This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond
said, "for it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.

http://gabrielle.sytes.net/mefa The Middle-Earth Fanfiction Awards
Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com

So, of course, Ariel should go ahead and get the Thain award banner
for it. But what do we do about Silvermoon Lady? Do we tell her she
must give it up? Or do we let them both keep them? The latter
wouldn't really be fair because it tied with another story and the
other story wasn't mistakenly given 3rd place (because the tie was
broken).


The best thing to do is let her keep it. Makes for happy people all around.

khazar

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Sorry for being so late in getting back to you on this. I tried
replying as a non-member, but it apparently didn't go.

Silvermoonlady is a dear friend and a very worthy author. I have no
problem letting her keep the award. I am content knowing that my fic
was in the running but I don't think it fair to take the award away
from someone to whom it has already been given.

Ariel

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "ainaechoiriel" <mefaadmin@e...>
wrote:

>
> Now the question is what do we do about it?
>
> We mistakenly gave SilvermoonLady the 3rd place Award for Hobbits
> (General), when it should have gone to Ariel for "Of Dwarvish Ale

and

> the Fairer Sex."
>
> The lattter had 23 points while SilvermoonLady's had 21. Somehow

we

> overlooked it. Or rather, I did. Either way, I'm very sorry.
>
> So, of course, Ariel should go ahead and get the Thain award banner
> for it. But what do we do about Silvermoon Lady? Do we tell her

she

> must give it up? Or do we let them both keep them? The latter
> wouldn't really be fair because it tied with another story and the
> other story wasn't mistakenly given 3rd place (because the tie was
> broken).
>
> SilvermoonLady, Ariel (if you're out there?) What do you want to do?
>
> --Ainaechoiriel
> MEFA Admin and Founder
>
> "This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond
> said, "for it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.
>
> http://gabrielle.sytes.net/mefa The Middle-Earth Fanfiction Awards
> Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com

No, I'm the sorry one. I got your e-mail and did some edits on the web site
so it shows you both. I just didn't get around to replying. I'm getting
particularly bad about such things. And my inbox just keeps getting bigger
and bigger.....

So, this was an administrative mistake so we won't take the award away from
Silvermoon Lady. Areiel, you are, of course, entitled to put that banner up
with your story. And next year, we'll even have Honorable Mentions for the
non-winning ties.

Of course.....Viv....we "could" make Honorable Mentions for only non-winning
ties this year. It's up to you. I can supply the categories if you wan to
add a bar to the right banner. And we'll e-mail them to the authors. No
administrative muss this year if we only use the ties. We'll work on the
point count for next year.

--Ainaechoiriel
MEFA Admin and Founder

"This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond said, "for
it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.

http://gabrielle.sytes.net/mefa The Middle-Earth Fanfiction Awards
Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com



-----Original Message-----
From: arielphf [mailto:lgreenaw@kcnet.org]
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:53 PM
To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Awards Mistake. Oh dear...



Sorry for being so late in getting back to you on this. I tried replying as
a non-member, but it apparently didn't go.

Silvermoonlady is a dear friend and a very worthy author. I have no problem
letting her keep the award. I am content knowing that my fic was in the
running but I don't think it fair to take the award away from someone to
whom it has already been given.

Ariel

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "ainaechoiriel" <mefaadmin@e...>
wrote:

>
> Now the question is what do we do about it?
>
> We mistakenly gave SilvermoonLady the 3rd place Award for Hobbits
> (General), when it should have gone to Ariel for "Of Dwarvish Ale

and

> the Fairer Sex."
>
> The lattter had 23 points while SilvermoonLady's had 21. Somehow

we

> overlooked it. Or rather, I did. Either way, I'm very sorry.
>
> So, of course, Ariel should go ahead and get the Thain award banner
> for it. But what do we do about Silvermoon Lady? Do we tell her

she

> must give it up? Or do we let them both keep them? The latter
> wouldn't really be fair because it tied with another story and the
> other story wasn't mistakenly given 3rd place (because the tie was
> broken).
>
> SilvermoonLady, Ariel (if you're out there?) What do you want to do?
>
> --Ainaechoiriel
> MEFA Admin and Founder
>
> "This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond
> said, "for it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.
>
> http://gabrielle.sytes.net/mefa The Middle-Earth Fanfiction Awards
> Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com

Yahoo! Groups Links

Wow... gone for a week or two.... *grin* Well, you know, Ariel is a dear
friend of mine, and I estimate her stories (including this one) to be prime,
and would be neither offended nor upset to see the error corrected:) I have
to hope I would also feel this way if it were any one else, as I pretend to
be an adult:)

Perhaps more attention, an extra level of counting/double checking might be
advised for next year? Just to avoid the situation:)

SilverMoonLady

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>
>Sorry for being so late in getting back to you on this. I tried
>replying as a non-member, but it apparently didn't go.
>
>Silvermoonlady is a dear friend and a very worthy author. I have no
>problem letting her keep the award. I am content knowing that my fic
>was in the running but I don't think it fair to take the award away
>from someone to whom it has already been given.
>
>Ariel
>
>--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "ainaechoiriel" <mefaadmin@e...>
>wrote:
> >
> > Now the question is what do we do about it?
> >
> > We mistakenly gave SilvermoonLady the 3rd place Award for Hobbits
> > (General), when it should have gone to Ariel for "Of Dwarvish Ale
>and
> > the Fairer Sex."
> >
> > The lattter had 23 points while SilvermoonLady's had 21. Somehow
>we
> > overlooked it. Or rather, I did. Either way, I'm very sorry.
> >
> > So, of course, Ariel should go ahead and get the Thain award banner
> > for it. But what do we do about Silvermoon Lady? Do we tell her
>she
> > must give it up? Or do we let them both keep them? The latter
> > wouldn't really be fair because it tied with another story and the
> > other story wasn't mistakenly given 3rd place (because the tie was
> > broken).
> >
> > SilvermoonLady, Ariel (if you're out there?) What do you want to do?
> >
> > --Ainaechoiriel
> > MEFA Admin and Founder
> >
> > "This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond
> > said, "for it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.
> >
> > http://gabrielle.sytes.net/mefa The Middle-Earth Fanfiction Awards
> > Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com
>
>
>

We did. Sort of. I posted the Hobbit winners to the Staff group on the 13th.
No one caught the mistake.

On my part there's really no good excuse. I think I could have avoided it by
sorting the spraedsheet as I had done in other categories. I think I just
eyeballed this one. I had eyeballed others but fortunately, no more mistakes
have come to light. I used a color code on the individual cells to show
first, second, and third place. And somehow I overlooked 23 and saw the tie
for 21. I broke the tie according to the rules. I posted the results to
the Staff in the hopes that if I made any mistakes, we'd catch them. In
this case we didn't.

Next year, we hope to have a more electronic counting method, but of course,
we'll keep human backups, just in case.

You are welcome to keep the award banner, as Ariel has said she'd like to
share it and not take it away from you. So, officially, you are both down
as winners.

(Next year, we'll also be having Honorable Mentions for those very close to
third place, especially in tie situations.)

--Ainaechoiriel
MEFA Admin and Founder

"This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond said, "for
it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.

http://gabrielle.sytes.net/mefa The Middle-Earth Fanfiction Awards
Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com



-----Original Message-----
From: John and Mel Knox [mailto:jkeffects@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 7:48 AM
To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MEFAwards] Re: Awards Mistake. Oh dear...


Wow... gone for a week or two.... *grin* Well, you know, Ariel is a dear
friend of mine, and I estimate her stories (including this one) to be prime,
and would be neither offended nor upset to see the error corrected:) I have
to hope I would also feel this way if it were any one else, as I pretend to
be an adult:)

Perhaps more attention, an extra level of counting/double checking might be
advised for next year? Just to avoid the situation:)

SilverMoonLady