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> As for evenly colored frames, again no. The picture the
> artist choose may
> clash terribly with that color. I say the artist uses a
> color that stands
> out well against the picture, but that complements well with
> the picture.
> And that, of course, depends on the picture used, and so we
> can't set a
> standard.

I agree, I only wanted to say I would prefer a frame at the side
evenly coloured which could be well matching the colour of the picture.

I think _if_ one has a corporate design along

left frame text, right frame picture, each in standard size

text standardized form:

(large character size)
MEFAwards
Men
Drabble
1. place

(smaller character size)
The Faithful of Numenor

_then_ the frame colour is not so important.

The banner itself would be instantly recognizable
by the formatting via the distribution of text, frame, and picture.

> >each artist should provide one complete set of banners per
> > subcategory
>
> >- again, I am all for an as congruent set of banners as possible ;-)
>
> And, again. I'm not. ;-) The more WORK we make it, the less
> likely someone
> is going to submit anything.

I understand.

>
> >initialize beginnings for corporate design for MEFAwards banners
> >- see above
>
> Above doesn't help me. I don't understand this one.

The was the most abstract form I could think of to say
that I would like to see some more congruency in the banners
and that we should start thinking about a standard into which
the banners should fit.
Just to facilitate the recognition of a MEFAward.

> >spawn subcats to achieve an evenly distribution of fics (5-15?) per
> > subcategory
> > - here I mean that we should not have categories of 5 fics
> > and others of 20
> > fics as this weighs the ranked stories quite differently (I would even
> > support an upper limit of 10 stories) I think one should be
> > flexible: if
> > another subcategory could become viable then cut at 10
> > otherwise cut at 15.
> > That means:
> > with 17 fics in a category one has to open another
> > subcategory, with 13 fics
> > in a category one has to look if one finds another existing
> > subcategory
> > where 1-3 of the fics could fit in, or one has to open
> > another subcategory
> > wherein at least 5 fics could be fitted leaving 8 fics in the original
> > category, or one leaves the situation as it is.
>
> This could get dangerous. Remember there is a delicate
> balance between
> having a too few awards and too many. We don't want to
> completely dilute
> the awards so they mean nothing by having every 3 out of five
> stories be a
> winner. Also, we can't constrain the nominators. You don't
> know which
> stories I'm going to nominate and I don't know which stories
> you are going
> to nominate. So we can't predict whetehr we'll have 17 in
> one category or
> 7. And I don't believe you were one of the categorizers this
> year. It's
> hard enough. We don't need to make it harder.

To this I agree, but on the other hand the number of stories
per award should not be too varying.

>
> Remember that the person who knows the story best will assign
> it 3 choices
> of categories: the author. The author will also suggest some
> subcategories.
> We will need to determine our upper limit: at which point do
> we declare a
> new main category? Men/Gondor, for example, had 27 stories.
> This year,
> main categories were locked by the time Nomination Season
> began. I propose
> that next year we be more flexible, adding main categories as
> needed during
> Nomination Season. But it has to be standardized. We need a
> protocol we
> can follow. This won't be done on a whim. So, how many
> stories in the same
> subcategory means a new main category? (And this also
> wouldn't work for
> every subcategory: Men/Drabble could not become Drabble as a
> main category.
> It just wouldn't work. Neither would Men/Romance. Romance
> is already a
> main category. See? It's complicated.)

Yes, I see and I completely agree.
To discuss this I entered this point into the database ;-)
And made the suggestion above
on how I think one could handle it with much flexibility.
But you are the expert for this handling :-)

Best wishes Elanor

-----Original Message-----
From: elanor of aquitania [mailto:elanor@codacode.net]
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 6:30 PM
To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
Subject: AW: [MEFAwards] Post Mortem: More discussion on suggestions

>I agree, I only wanted to say I would prefer a frame at the side evenly

coloured which could be well matching the colour of the picture.

Count it up to aphasia. I just don't understand (so I've snipped the rest of
this). But this is a closed point anyway. There will be no standard color
or font or font size. Banner size, yes, there will be.

> >initialize beginnings for corporate design for MEFAwards banners
> >- see above
>
> Above doesn't help me. I don't understand this one.


>The was the most abstract form I could think of to say that I would like to

see some more congruency in the banners and that we should start thinking
about a standard into which the banners should fit.
Just to facilitate the recognition of a MEFAward.

Well, I hope people think first of the comment-based format when they think
of the MEFAs. And that word-of-mouth will bring the recognition because of
that format. I want the banners to be open to creativity

> This could get dangerous. Remember there is a delicate balance
> between
> having a too few awards and too many. We don't want to
> completely dilute
> the awards so they mean nothing by having every 3 out of five stories
> be a winner. Also, we can't constrain the nominators. You don't know
> which stories I'm going to nominate and I don't know which stories you
> are going to nominate. So we can't predict whetehr we'll have 17 in
> one category or 7. And I don't believe you were one of the
> categorizers this year. It's hard enough. We don't need to make it
> harder.

>To this I agree, but on the other hand the number of stories per award

should not be too varying.

I don't agree. Whatever is nominated is nominated. If that means 50 Elves
fics and only 5 Hobbits fics (just a random example) then so be it. If more
Elves General stories are nominated than Elves/Romance well, fine. Or vice
versa. What's nominated is nominated and the only rules for nominated are:

Story must not have been nominated before (unless it was a WIP and is now
complete)
Story must be archived on a public website (except Tolkien Online)
Author must approve of the nomination.

And what category those stories fall in will be determined first by the
author and second by the Staff. Staff will only move stories if 1) the
present category is not viable or 2) the subcategory fits the requirement to
be a main category, or 3) the author requests it.

Those statements will be the revised FAQ.

.Yes, I see and I completely agree.
To discuss this I entered this point into the database ;-) And made the
suggestion above on how I think one could handle it with much flexibility.
But you are the expert for this handling :-)

Thanks!

--Ainaechoiriel
MEFA Admin and Founder

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