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I'm just pulling this off the top of my head, so it's very basic:

G: family oriented. Anyone can read it. Nothing objectionable
PG: mild. May not be suitable for young children, but nothing terribly
objectionable. Your average story.
PG-13: Getting up there. Might have more violence or harsher scenes. Not
suitable for young children
R: Adult but not XXX or NC-17. This is where your average adventure movie
tends to go. There might be a sex scene but it's not graphic. Or there
might be a lot of violence or harsh language.

NC-17: full-on erotica. We don't go here. Not allowedfor nominations.

I hope that helps.

--Ainaechoiriel

"This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond said, "for
it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.

http://www.stormpages.com/gabrielle/lotr Land of Myth and Memory
Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com



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--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "Ainaechoiriel" <mefaadmin@e...>
wrote:

>
> I'm just pulling this off the top of my head, so it's very basic:
>
> G: family oriented. Anyone can read it. Nothing objectionable
> PG: mild. May not be suitable for young children, but nothing

terribly

> objectionable. Your average story.
> PG-13: Getting up there. Might have more violence or harsher

scenes. Not

> suitable for young children
> R: Adult but not XXX or NC-17. This is where your average

adventure movie

> tends to go. There might be a sex scene but it's not graphic. Or

there

> might be a lot of violence or harsh language.
>
> NC-17: full-on erotica. We don't go here. Not allowedfor

nominations.

>
> I hope that helps.
>
> --Ainaechoiriel

Thank you for clarifying it. I saved it for future reference.
According to this I was right when I rated the stories by M. N. Theis
and M. E. Theis R, I believe. Really aren't meant for children. More
like a horror/psychological thriller flick.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: shiekdesigner [mailto:shunit1@netvision.net.il]
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 5:35 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Ratings a really really basic guide.
>
> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "Ainaechoiriel" <mefaadmin@e...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm just pulling this off the top of my head, so it's very basic:
> >
> Thank you for clarifying it. I saved it for future reference.
> According to this I was right when I rated the stories by M.
> N. Theis and M. E. Theis R, I believe. Really aren't meant
> for children. More like a horror/psychological thriller flick.

You're welcome. From the description, it certainly sounded like R. Yep,
just let me know what the sisters want for a category and we'll get it
posted.

--Ainaechoiriel

"This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond said, "for
it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.

http://www.stormpages.com/gabrielle/lotr Land of Myth and Memory
Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com

Reposting my previous question on this as it seemed to get lost in the
deluge :)

Can I ask whether the ban on NC-17 fics is something that can be up for
negotiation, or is it something you are adamant about? Could we have a
section for NC-17 fiction, then no-one has to read it who doesn't want to.
What are you using as the criteria to distinguish between R and NC-17. Is it
purely on erotica? What about violence? I ask because I have a couple of
pieces that may fall outside the line without editing, and I'm not sure
that's a road I want to go down. I'm sure I'm not the only one. There are
some good stories out there (Vulgarweed's 'The Ring and the Crown' and
Grond's 'Hope for the Uruk' for example) that will be excluded by this
limitation.

And if this is not an 'adult' list, how are we going to work posting stories
with ratings above G?

I'm sorry if it's perhaps a bit late in the day to be raising this, the list
is moving so fast I'm finding it hard to keep up ( didn't even manage to
vote in the Orc category poll before it closed)

Sorne/Enros

-----Original Message-----
From: Ainaechoiriel [mailto:mefaadmin@earthlink.net]
Sent: 03 May 2004 22:50
To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MEFAwards] Ratings a really really basic guide.



I'm just pulling this off the top of my head, so it's very basic:

G: family oriented. Anyone can read it. Nothing objectionable
PG: mild. May not be suitable for young children, but nothing terribly
objectionable. Your average story.
PG-13: Getting up there. Might have more violence or harsher scenes.
Not
suitable for young children
R: Adult but not XXX or NC-17. This is where your average adventure
movie
tends to go. There might be a sex scene but it's not graphic. Or there
might be a lot of violence or harsh language.

NC-17: full-on erotica. We don't go here. Not allowedfor nominations.

I hope that helps.

--Ainaechoiriel

"This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond said,
"for
it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.

http://www.stormpages.com/gabrielle/lotr Land of Myth and Memory
Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com



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--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "Sorne&Enros" <Sorne&Enros@m...>
wrote:

> And if this is not an 'adult' list, how are we going to work

posting stories with ratings above G?

"Adult" means above PG-13, as far as I know.

The NC-17-ban excludes a few of my own stories as well, I still think
that we should stick to it. While it's true that a few excellent
stories won't make it into the Awards this way, but it's the lesser
evil than let the never-ending flood of... (insert expression of
disgust of choice here) in.

We practically allow everyone to sign up, unless we discover that the
account in question is a sockpuppet, so IMO better safe than sorrow.

You are free to disagree with me, of course. And in the end, it's the
Founder's decision.

Soledad

>
> The NC-17-ban excludes a few of my own stories as well, I still

think

> that we should stick to it. While it's true that a few excellent
> stories won't make it into the Awards this way, but it's the lesser
> evil than let the never-ending flood of... (insert expression of
> disgust of choice here) in.
>
> We practically allow everyone to sign up, unless we discover that

the

> account in question is a sockpuppet, so IMO better safe than sorrow.
>
> You are free to disagree with me, of course. And in the end, it's

the

> Founder's decision.

I think you will hard put to it to fill the Orc category without NC-
17. Orcs are an NC-17-ish lot. Why not widen and change the category
to something like "Darkfic", allowing the NC-17 rating for it alone -
and adding the customary warning to it?

But - as you say - Founder's decision.
Blessings
Grond

For myself, I would sooner frequent a site where NC-17 is nowhere to be found, and I admire Ainae for ordering her regulations that way. Forgive me if you somehow enjoy that sort of thing -- that is your prerogative, I suppose -- but some of us are trying to avoid the near occasions of sin, and since the voting and such is to be on-list, I would not like that stuff flooding my inbox. I'm already wincing against the slash notices that I've been deleting. I think my parents would freak.

I'd hate to have to leave the group on this account. It's been fun thus far.

Coriel



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I have loved justice, and hated iniquity; therefore I die in exile."
~ Pope Gregory VII

----- Original Message -----
From: draborgieuk
To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 5:42 AM
Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Ratings a really really basic guide.


>
> The NC-17-ban excludes a few of my own stories as well, I still
think
> that we should stick to it. While it's true that a few excellent
> stories won't make it into the Awards this way, but it's the lesser
> evil than let the never-ending flood of... (insert expression of
> disgust of choice here) in.
>
> We practically allow everyone to sign up, unless we discover that
the
> account in question is a sockpuppet, so IMO better safe than sorrow.
>
> You are free to disagree with me, of course. And in the end, it's
the
> Founder's decision.

I think you will hard put to it to fill the Orc category without NC-
17. Orcs are an NC-17-ish lot. Why not widen and change the category
to something like "Darkfic", allowing the NC-17 rating for it alone -
and adding the customary warning to it?

But - as you say - Founder's decision.
Blessings
Grond



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> For myself, I would sooner frequent a site where NC-17 is nowhere

to be found, and I admire Ainae for ordering her regulations that
way. Forgive me if you somehow enjoy that sort of thing -- that is
your prerogative, I suppose -- but some of us are trying to avoid the
near occasions of sin, and since the voting and such is to be on-
list, I would not like that stuff flooding my inbox. I'm already
wincing against the slash notices that I've been deleting. I think
my parents would freak.

>
> I'd hate to have to leave the group on this account. It's been fun

thus far.

I'm afraid I didn't expect to enounter this level of hostility on
this Listing - I came here in good faith having had it recommended by
someone I respect. Clearly I am on the wrong list and will resign as
soon as I am able. I am sorry to have disturbed you in any way.
Blessings
Grond

Grond. I don't think it is hostility as much as it is a matter of
taste, being too strongly expressed. I love your fics, but I don't
leave them up on the screen when one of my pre-teen boys might need
to borrow the PC for awhile.

I believe the no NC-17 is in part a yahoo restriction, I could be
wrong on that, I'm sure our Founder/Chief-cook-n-bottlewasher will
weight in shortly.

Play nice folks.!


--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "draborgieuk" <ralph.henning@b...>
wrote: > > For myself, I would sooner frequent a site where NC-17 is
nowhere > to be found, and I admire Ainae for ordering her
regulations that > way. Forgive me if you somehow enjoy that sort
of thing -- that is > your prerogative, I suppose -- but some of us
are trying to avoid the > near occasions of sin, and since the voting
and such is to be on-> list, I would not like that stuff flooding my
inbox. I'm already > wincing against the slash notices that I've
been deleting. I think > my parents would freak.

> > > > I'd hate to have to leave the group on this account. It's

been fun > thus far.

>
> I'm afraid I didn't expect to enounter this level of hostility on
> this Listing - I came here in good faith having had it recommended

by > someone I respect. Clearly I am on the wrong list and will
resign as > soon as I am able. I am sorry to have disturbed you in
any way.> Blessings> Grond

coriel_elfwyn@o...> wrote:

> For myself, I would sooner frequent a site where NC-17 is nowhere

to be found, and I admire Ainae for ordering her regulations that
way. Forgive me if you somehow enjoy that sort of thing -- that is
your prerogative, I suppose -- but some of us are trying to avoid the
near occasions of sin, and since the voting and such is to be on-
list, I would not like that stuff flooding my inbox. I'm already
wincing against the slash notices that I've been deleting. I think
my parents would freak.

>
> I'd hate to have to leave the group on this account. It's been fun

thus far.


It's hard to find a way that makes most people happy. There isn't any
that would make *all* people happy, I guess. I think Ainae had found
the narrow path that most people here could agree with. But that's
just my opinion.

I, personally, have been called a slash-writer and a homophobic from
two differently-minded but often equally aggressive groups of
Tolkienfic readers. I'm neither. As I've repeated several times, I
write *stories*. Sometimes in these stories the characters have
romantic *relationships*, sometimes they don't. Sometimes these
relationships are born between two characters of the same gender,
sometimes not.

I've accepted that certain archives won't accept stories with same-
gender relationships (I hate the word 'slash' for what it has for me
become: the equivalent of blatant smut, written for smut's sake).
It's their prerogative. Among the whole of 55 stories posted to
ff.net (in four or five different fandoms), there are exactly four
scenes that would fall into the NC-17 ban. I never tried to smuggle
them in, falsely rated as R. There are restrictions, and though we
might not always like them, we have to live with them. That's life.
(Sorry if it sounded like a lecture - it wasn't my intention. But
it's hard to sound differently after having spent 28 years as a
school teacher...)

And one more point for the other side: 'slash' if I have to use that
word for lack of a better one, doesn't always equal smut. There *are*
G-rated stories in that are, and rated so rightly, as the whole thing
is about character interaction and development. Let's give each story
and each author the benefit of the doubt, until we know what it is
about.

Okay, I've preached enough. Off my sandbox and back to school to
enjoy a long afternoon about drug prevention and the parent-teacher
evening afterwards. *groans*

Soledad

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "draborgieuk" <ralph.henning@b...>
wrote:

> I'm afraid I didn't expect to enounter this level of hostility on
> this Listing - I came here in good faith having had it recommended

by someone I respect. Clearly I am on the wrong list and will resign
as soon as I am able. I am sorry to have disturbed you in any way.


Please, don't. Let us not divide into the usual camps of 'evil
slashers' and 'homophobes'. It happens often enough in this fandom,
and that's a sad thing. Let's try to live with each other's quirks
and peeves - and with our own ones.

Soledad

Thank you for the voice of reason. There are good stories out
there and bad stories. Some of those I honour and cherish are
slash stories, some are not. Our way to decide should be to ask:
Is it well written? is it believable? And nothing else (and though
I'm not a Slash-Writer nor reader - normally - there are
slash-stories I believe).

It was most certainly not my intention to drive anyone off the list. If you write NC-17, that is your department, and I'm not going to try to meddle with it. But with something as public as this, with most everything shared by the entire group, I think it is an important issue to keep some reasonable restrictions in mind. There are doubtless several other groups and sites where you can read and share that kind of thing.

Still, this group advocates discussion, so I believe that if there is to be a Voice of Reason, there should also be a Voice of Decency. It doesn't have to be me, in fact I'd prefer I didn't have to mention it at all, but I'll say it if no one else will. Nor do we have to immediately split into camps each time the subject comes up.

Coriel




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I have loved justice, and hated iniquity; therefore I die in exile."
~ Pope Gregory VII

----- Original Message -----
From: draborgieuk
To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 8:45 AM
Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Ratings a really really basic guide.


> For myself, I would sooner frequent a site where NC-17 is nowhere
to be found, and I admire Ainae for ordering her regulations that
way. Forgive me if you somehow enjoy that sort of thing -- that is
your prerogative, I suppose -- but some of us are trying to avoid the
near occasions of sin, and since the voting and such is to be on-
list, I would not like that stuff flooding my inbox. I'm already
wincing against the slash notices that I've been deleting. I think
my parents would freak.
>
> I'd hate to have to leave the group on this account. It's been fun
thus far.

I'm afraid I didn't expect to enounter this level of hostility on
this Listing - I came here in good faith having had it recommended by
someone I respect. Clearly I am on the wrong list and will resign as
soon as I am able. I am sorry to have disturbed you in any way.
Blessings
Grond





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>>>Still, this group advocates discussion, so I believe that if there

is to be a Voice of Reason, there should also be a Voice of Decency.
It doesn't have to be me, in fact I'd prefer I didn't have to mention
it at all, but I'll say it if no one else will. Nor do we have to
immediately split into camps each time the subject comes up.

Coriel

**That is the job of the moderator. That would be me. Please
consider this discussion closed unless Ainaechoiriel says otherwise.

Sulriel -co-moderator.

thanks for that Ainaechoiriel, the ratings has always confused me
kept getting R and Nc-17 mixed up *rolls eyes* too used to english
cinema ratings..

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "Ainaechoiriel" <mefaadmin@e...>
wrote:

>
> I'm just pulling this off the top of my head, so it's very basic:
>
> G: family oriented. Anyone can read it. Nothing objectionable
> PG: mild. May not be suitable for young children, but nothing

terribly

> objectionable. Your average story.
> PG-13: Getting up there. Might have more violence or harsher

scenes. Not

> suitable for young children
> R: Adult but not XXX or NC-17. This is where your average

adventure movie

> tends to go. There might be a sex scene but it's not graphic. Or

there

> might be a lot of violence or harsh language.
>
> NC-17: full-on erotica. We don't go here. Not allowedfor

nominations.

>
> I hope that helps.
>
> --Ainaechoiriel
>
> "This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond

said, "for

> it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.
>
> http://www.stormpages.com/gabrielle/lotr Land of Myth and Memory
> Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com
>
>
>
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