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> Check Ballots for Main Category Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings
>
> Isildur's Inheritance (1299): Gwynnyd
> G, Reason for Rating: n/a
> Romance Partners: n/a
> Aragorn is tempted by the Ring
>

> Wizard's Watch (1227): Pipspebble
> G, Reason for Rating: N/A
> Romance Partners: N/A
> A heart to heart between Gandalf and Pippin...a combination of
> BookVerse and
> MovieVerse
>

> SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: Drabble
>
> 'Peering in the water as the dark eve fell, I caught him, Gollum.'
> (19):
> Avon
> PG, Reason for Rating: Generally dark atmosphere.
> Romance Partners: N/A
> Drabble. Aragorn captures Gollum.
>

> Dark Memory (46): Forodwaith
> G, Reason for Rating: none
> Romance Partners: NA
> Drabble. A snapshot from Aragorn's first journey through Moria.
>

> The Ride of the Rohirrim (1325): Marta
> G, Reason for Rating: n/a
> Romance Partners: n/a
> The Rohirrim ride to Gondor's aid.
>

> SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: Elves
>
> Forgetting War (1322): Karenator
> G, Reason for Rating: n/a
> Romance Partners: n/a
> When Legolas heard the cry of the gulls, his life in Middle Earth was
> changed forever. What was it that the cries awakened? What is sea
> longing?
> My take on the allure of the light in Valinor.
>

> SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: Gondor
>
> The Council of Elrond (900): Lindelea
> G, Reason for Rating: N/A
> Romance Partners: N/A
> A Serious Scholarly Work, an Endeavor to cast this Great Event into
> Poetry
> and shorten its Length for the sake of the Gentle Reader. (With
> apologies to
> Lewis Carroll)
>
>
>

> SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: Hobbits
>
> The Next Day (307): Saoirse
> PG-13, Reason for Rating: Mention of death.
> Romance Partners: N/A
> The Hobbits were buried on a hill in Bywater, and a stone was placed
> on
> their grave with a garden around it. One-shot.
>

> Pawns (310): Tialys
> G, Reason for Rating: G
> Romance Partners: N/A
> Samwise joins Gandalf in a game of chess and choices are argued.
>

> Bed of Roses (793): Vistula the Dunadan
> G, Reason for Rating: n/a
> Romance Partners: Samwise Gamgee/Rosie Cotton
> Frodo, on Mount Doom, considers Sam's fate
>

>
>
> SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: Hurt/Comfort
>
> Cousins on Watch (984): Anso the Hobbit
> G, Reason for Rating: N/A
> Romance Partners: N/A
> Two separate scenes based on the same starting line. The three
> cousins watch
> over each other in times of illness and injury. LoTR, Hobbits,
> Drama/angst
> H/c, Gondor, Cormallen
>

> On Becoming An Adventurer (1161): Piplover (aka Pipfan)
> G, Reason for Rating: n/a
> Romance Partners: n/a
> What was the price of leaving the Shire, and everything they had known
> behind?
>

>
>
> SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: Incomplete
>
> The Rainstorm (1262): Easterlily
> PG, Reason for Rating: Angst.
> Romance Partners: N/A
> Frodo's parents died alone that day in the Brandywine River or did
> they? Who
> else was with them? What really happened?
>

> Cormallen (807): Mariposa
> PG, Reason for Rating: PG for descriptions of injuries and angst.
> Romance Partners: N/A
> Pippin's wounding at the Last Battle, and his care in Ithilien. (I
> couldnýt
> find the story posted anywhere other than the authorýs livejournal,
> so the
> link is to Chapter 4, which has the links to the first 3 chapters at
> the
> top.)
>

> Hobbits (944): Marta
> G, Reason for Rating: n/a
> Romance Partners: n/a
> An attempt to collect the different quotes from "The Lord of the
> Rings" and
> "The Hobbit" pertaining to Shire-lore. Currently reflects books I-IV
> of "The
> Lord of the Rings". (WIP)
>

> The Best Brew in Buckland (934): Marta
> PG, Reason for Rating: n/a
> Romance Partners: Faramir/ýowyn
> While Minas Tirith celebrtes the marriage of Elessar and Arwen,
> Faramir
> joins Legolas, Merry, and Pippin for a private get-together. Much
> alcohol is
> consumed, and certain stewards of Gondor are embarrassed. Afterwards,
> ýomer
> and Gimli tired of the hobbits' glorating, try to help Faramir revenge
> himself of the humiliation. Also features Imrahil, Elphir, Erchiron,
> Elrohir, and a slew of OCs.
>

> SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: Poetry
>
> Close your Eyes (95): Werecat
> G, Reason for Rating: n/a
> Romance Partners: n/a
> a dwarven lullaby
>

> SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: Rivendell
>
> Out of All Knowledge (178): Budgielover
> PG-13, Reason for Rating: adult theme, medical gore
> Romance Partners: N/A
> The story of what the hobbits felt and experienced those dreadful four
> nights and three days as a dying Frodo is brought to Rivendell.
>

> Maps (1111): Kit5 (aka Pippinswolf)
> G, Reason for Rating: n/a
> Romance Partners: n/a
> Merry spent some of his time in Rivendell in the library looking at
> maps.
> What went through his mind and to whom did he spoke about the Quest?
>

> SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: The Shire
>
> For Eyes to See as Can (176): Larner
> PG, Reason for Rating: rated for suicidal thoughts
> Romance Partners: n/a
> Written from the point of Sam Gamgee, this is a look at the coming of
> Frodo
> Baggins to Bag End, the impact of the Ring on his life, and all that
> leads
> to his choice to leave Middle Earth.
>

>
> On 7 Jun 2005, at 00:12, Ainaechoiriel wrote:
>
> > Check Ballots for Main Category Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings
> >
> > Isildur's Inheritance (1299): Gwynnyd
> > G, Reason for Rating: n/a
> > Romance Partners: n/a
> > Aragorn is tempted by the Ring
> >
>
> Insert period at the end of summary?

>> SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: Drabble
>>
>> 'Peering in the water as the dark eve fell, I caught him, Gollum.'
>> (19):
>> Avon
>> PG, Reason for Rating: Generally dark atmosphere.
>> Romance Partners: N/A
>> Drabble. Aragorn captures Gollum.
>>
>
> Delete period at end of "generally dark atmosphere"?

>> On Becoming An Adventurer (1161): Piplover (aka Pipfan)
>> G, Reason for Rating: n/a
>> Romance Partners: n/a
>> What was the price of leaving the Shire, and everything they had
>> known behind?
>>
>
> Delete comma after "Shire"?

>> Hobbits (944): Marta
>> G, Reason for Rating: n/a
>> Romance Partners: n/a
>> An attempt to collect the different quotes from "The Lord of the
>> Rings" and "The Hobbit" pertaining to Shire-lore. Currently
>> reflects books I-IV of "The Lord of the Rings". (WIP)
>
> I thought this was going to go in a Hobbits/Incomplete category?

> Maybe I misunderstood. Remember how I explained that it really
> didn't fit in LOTR very well, and if we really couldn't make a
> Hobbits/WIP category I need to go back and add LOTR as a category
> choice.

>> The Best Brew in Buckland (934): Marta
>> PG, Reason for Rating: n/a
>> Romance Partners: Faramir/Éowyn
>> While Minas Tirith celebrtes the marriage of Elessar and Arwen,
>> Faramir joins Legolas, Merry, and Pippin for a private
>> get-together. Much alcohol is consumed, and certain stewards of
>> Gondor are embarrassed. Afterwards, Éomer and Gimli tired of the
>> hobbits' glorating, try to help Faramir revenge himself of the
>> humiliation. Also features Imrahil, Elphir, Erchiron, Elrohir, and
>> a slew of OCs.
>
> Change celbrtes to celebrates, and Elessar to Aragorn?

>> SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: Rivendell
>>
>> Out of All Knowledge (178): Budgielover
>> PG-13, Reason for Rating: adult theme, medical gore
>> Romance Partners: N/A
>> The story of what the hobbits felt and experienced those dreadful
>> four nights and three days as a dying Frodo is brought to
>> Rivendell.
>
> Technically, this is about the four nights *after* Frodo is brought
> to Rivendell. I know this is probably picky, but should the summary
> be changed to reflect this? Maybe "those dreadful four nights and
> three days as Frodo lay dying in Rivendell"?

>> SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: The Shire
>>
>> For Eyes to See as Can (176): Larner
>> PG, Reason for Rating: rated for suicidal thoughts
>> Romance Partners: n/a
>> Written from the point of Sam Gamgee, this is a look at the coming
>> of Frodo Baggins to Bag End, the impact of the Ring on his life,
>> and all that leads to his choice to leave Middle Earth.
>
> Should this be "from the perspective of Sam Gamgee" or "from the
> point of view of Sam Gamgee"? Also, maybe make "Middle Earth"
> "Middle-earth"?

> > Should this be "from the perspective of Sam Gamgee" or "from the
> > point of view of Sam Gamgee"? Also, maybe make "Middle Earth"
> > "Middle-earth"?
>
> Ack no... Tolkien never wrote Middle Earth as Middle-Earth...

> I am starting to confuse myself. LOL
>
> > > Should this be "from the perspective of Sam Gamgee" or "from

> > > point of view of Sam Gamgee"? Also, maybe make "Middle Earth"
> > > "Middle-earth"?
> >
> > Ack no... Tolkien never wrote Middle Earth as Middle-Earth...
>
> I meant... Tolkien never wrote Middle-Earth as Middle-earth..
>
> A slight one, but it still is a difference.

> Hi Rhapsody
>
> > I am starting to confuse myself. LOL
> >
> > > > Should this be "from the perspective of Sam Gamgee" or "from
> the
> > > > point of view of Sam Gamgee"? Also, maybe make "Middle Earth"
> > > > "Middle-earth"?
> > >
> > > Ack no... Tolkien never wrote Middle Earth as Middle-Earth...
> >
> > I meant... Tolkien never wrote Middle-Earth as Middle-earth..
> >
> > A slight one, but it still is a difference.
>
> I'm afraid you're starting to confuse *me*, because in both my 25 yo
> copty of LotR published by Unwin and my bought-3-years-ago (and
> based on the supposedly definitive e-text) copy published by
> HarperCollins, it distinctly says Middle-earth, not Middle Earth or
> Middle-Earth. So surely Middle-earth is the correct "canon" form
> (whether or not you want to correct the summary of the story)?

----- Original Message -----
From: rhapsody_the_bard
To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:05 PM
Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Books/Time: Lord of the Rings, Check Ballot #1


--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "Liz" <liz.warren@b...> wrote:
> Hi Rhapsody
>
> > I am starting to confuse myself. LOL
> >
> > > > Should this be "from the perspective of Sam Gamgee" or "from
> the
> > > > point of view of Sam Gamgee"? Also, maybe make "Middle Earth"
> > > > "Middle-earth"?
> > >
> > > Ack no... Tolkien never wrote Middle Earth as Middle-Earth...
> >
> > I meant... Tolkien never wrote Middle-Earth as Middle-earth..
> >
> > A slight one, but it still is a difference.
>
> I'm afraid you're starting to confuse *me*, because in both my 25 yo
> copty of LotR published by Unwin and my bought-3-years-ago (and
> based on the supposedly definitive e-text) copy published by
> HarperCollins, it distinctly says Middle-earth, not Middle Earth or
> Middle-Earth. So surely Middle-earth is the correct "canon" form
> (whether or not you want to correct the summary of the story)?

I think something is up with HarperCollins, because mine hold the
Middle-Earth and not Middle-earth at all. I checked it before I posted
it..

Rhapsody




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--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, <aelfwina@c...> wrote:

*grin*

:c) Who is your publisher? Just curious.

Rhapsody

> Mine all say "Middle-earth", LOL!
> Dreamflower
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rhapsody_the_bard
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:05 PM
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Books/Time: Lord of the Rings, Check
Ballot #1
>
>
> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "Liz" <liz.warren@b...> wrote:
> > Hi Rhapsody
> >
> > > I am starting to confuse myself. LOL
> > >
> > > > > Should this be "from the perspective of Sam Gamgee" or "from
> > the
> > > > > point of view of Sam Gamgee"? Also, maybe make "Middle Earth"
> > > > > "Middle-earth"?
> > > >
> > > > Ack no... Tolkien never wrote Middle Earth as Middle-Earth...
> > >
> > > I meant... Tolkien never wrote Middle-Earth as Middle-earth..
> > >
> > > A slight one, but it still is a difference.
> >
> > I'm afraid you're starting to confuse *me*, because in both my 25 yo
> > copty of LotR published by Unwin and my bought-3-years-ago (and
> > based on the supposedly definitive e-text) copy published by
> > HarperCollins, it distinctly says Middle-earth, not Middle Earth or
> > Middle-Earth. So surely Middle-earth is the correct "canon" form
> > (whether or not you want to correct the summary of the story)?
>
> I think something is up with HarperCollins, because mine hold the
> Middle-Earth and not Middle-earth at all. I checked it before I posted
> it..
>
> Rhapsody
>
>
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: rhapsody_the_bard
To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:23 PM
Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Books/Time: Lord of the Rings, Check Ballot #1


--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, <aelfwina@c...> wrote:

*grin*

:c) Who is your publisher? Just curious.

Rhapsody

> Mine all say "Middle-earth", LOL!
> Dreamflower
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rhapsody_the_bard
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:05 PM
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Books/Time: Lord of the Rings, Check
Ballot #1
>
>
> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "Liz" <liz.warren@b...> wrote:
> > Hi Rhapsody
> >
> > > I am starting to confuse myself. LOL
> > >
> > > > > Should this be "from the perspective of Sam Gamgee" or "from
> > the
> > > > > point of view of Sam Gamgee"? Also, maybe make "Middle Earth"
> > > > > "Middle-earth"?
> > > >
> > > > Ack no... Tolkien never wrote Middle Earth as Middle-Earth...
> > >
> > > I meant... Tolkien never wrote Middle-Earth as Middle-earth..
> > >
> > > A slight one, but it still is a difference.
> >
> > I'm afraid you're starting to confuse *me*, because in both my 25 yo
> > copty of LotR published by Unwin and my bought-3-years-ago (and
> > based on the supposedly definitive e-text) copy published by
> > HarperCollins, it distinctly says Middle-earth, not Middle Earth or
> > Middle-Earth. So surely Middle-earth is the correct "canon" form
> > (whether or not you want to correct the summary of the story)?
>
> I think something is up with HarperCollins, because mine hold the
> Middle-Earth and not Middle-earth at all. I checked it before I posted
> it..
>
> Rhapsody
>
>
>
>
>
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>Hi Rhapsody
>
>> I am starting to confuse myself. LOL
>>  
>> > > Should this be "from the perspective of Sam Gamgee" or "from
>the
>> > > point of view of Sam Gamgee"? Also, maybe make "Middle Earth"
>> > > "Middle-earth"?
>> >
>> > Ack no... Tolkien never wrote Middle Earth as Middle-Earth...
>>
>> I meant... Tolkien never wrote Middle-Earth as Middle-earth..
>>
>> A slight one, but it still is a difference.
>
>I'm afraid you're starting to confuse *me*, because in both my 25 yo
>copty of LotR published by Unwin and my bought-3-years-ago (and based
>on the supposedly definitive e-text) copy published by HarperCollins,
>it distinctly says Middle-earth, not Middle Earth or Middle-Earth. So
>surely Middle-earth is the correct "canon" form (whether or not you
>want to correct the summary of the story)?
>
>Cheers, Liz
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> > I think something is up with HarperCollins, because mine hold

> > Middle-Earth and not Middle-earth at all. I checked it before I

> > it..

> -----Original Message-----
> From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marta Layton
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 1:36 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MEFAwards] Books/Time: Lord of the Rings, Check
> Ballot #1
>
>
> On 7 Jun 2005, at 00:12, Ainaechoiriel wrote:
>
> > Check Ballots for Main Category Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings
> >
> > Isildur's Inheritance (1299): Gwynnyd G, Reason for Rating: n/a
> > Romance Partners: n/a Aragorn is tempted by the Ring
> >
>
> Insert period at the end of summary?

>
> > Wizard's Watch (1227): Pipspebble
> > G, Reason for Rating: N/A
> > Romance Partners: N/A
> > A heart to heart between Gandalf and Pippin...a combination of
> > BookVerse and MovieVerse
> >
>
> Change heart to heart to heart-to-heart?

>
> > SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: Drabble
> >
> > 'Peering in the water as the dark eve fell, I caught him, Gollum.'
> > (19):
> > Avon
> > PG, Reason for Rating: Generally dark atmosphere.
> > Romance Partners: N/A
> > Drabble. Aragorn captures Gollum.
> >
>
> Delete period at end of "generally dark atmosphere"?

>
> > Dark Memory (46): Forodwaith
> > G, Reason for Rating: none
> > Romance Partners: NA
> > Drabble. A snapshot from Aragorn's first journey through Moria.
> >
>
> Change "none" and "NA" to "n/a"?

>
> > The Ride of the Rohirrim (1325): Marta G, Reason for Rating: n/a
> > Romance Partners: n/a The Rohirrim ride to Gondor's aid.
> >
>
> This is on a page with several drabbles. Maybe mention that
> the reader needs to scroll down?

>
> > SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: Elves
> >
> > Forgetting War (1322): Karenator
> > G, Reason for Rating: n/a
> > Romance Partners: n/a
> > When Legolas heard the cry of the gulls, his life in
> Middle Earth was
> > changed forever. What was it that the cries awakened? What is sea
> > longing?
> > My take on the allure of the light in Valinor.
> >
>
> Change to Middle-earth?

>
> > SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: Gondor
> >
> > The Council of Elrond (900): Lindelea G, Reason for Rating: N/A
> > Romance Partners: N/A A Serious Scholarly Work, an
> Endeavor to cast
> > this Great Event into Poetry and shorten its Length for
> the sake of
> > the Gentle Reader. (With apologies to Lewis Carroll)
> >
> >
> >
>
> This categorisation doesn't make sense. The three categories are Gr:
> Crossover, Gr: Humor, and RP: Cross-cultural. Also, it's a
> poem. I've reassigned it to Gr: Crossover/Poetry.

>
> > SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: Hobbits
> >
> > The Next Day (307): Saoirse
> > PG-13, Reason for Rating: Mention of death.
> > Romance Partners: N/A
> > The Hobbits were buried on a hill in Bywater, and a stone
> was placed
> > on their grave with a garden around it. One-shot.
> >
>
> Delete period after "mention of death"?

>
> > Pawns (310): Tialys
> > G, Reason for Rating: G
> > Romance Partners: N/A
> > Samwise joins Gandalf in a game of chess and choices are argued.
> >
>
> Change reason for rating to "n/a"?

>
> > Bed of Roses (793): Vistula the Dunadan G, Reason for
> Rating: n/a
> > Romance Partners: Samwise Gamgee/Rosie Cotton Frodo, on
> Mount Doom,
> > considers Sam's fate
> >
>
> Insert period at end of summary?

>
> >
> >
> > SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: Hurt/Comfort
> >
> > Cousins on Watch (984): Anso the Hobbit G, Reason for
> Rating: N/A
> > Romance Partners: N/A Two separate scenes based on the
> same starting
> > line. The three cousins watch over each other in times of
> illness and
> > injury. LoTR, Hobbits, Drama/angst H/c, Gondor, Cormallen
> >
>
> Delete last sentence? ("LoTR, Hobbits, Drama/angst, H/c, Gondor,
> Cormallen") This reads more like a list of subcategories than
> part of the summary.

>
> > On Becoming An Adventurer (1161): Piplover (aka Pipfan) G, Reason
> > for Rating: n/a Romance Partners: n/a What was the price
> of leaving
> > the Shire, and everything they had known behind?
> >
>
> Delete comma after "Shire"?

> > SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: Incomplete
> >
> > The Rainstorm (1262): Easterlily
> > PG, Reason for Rating: Angst.
> > Romance Partners: N/A
> > Frodo's parents died alone that day in the Brandywine River or did
> > they? Who else was with them? What really happened?
> >
>
> Insert ellipsis or comma after "Brandywine River"?

> > Cormallen (807): Mariposa
> > PG, Reason for Rating: PG for descriptions of injuries and angst.
> > Romance Partners: N/A
> > Pippin's wounding at the Last Battle, and his care in Ithilien. (I
> > couldn’t find the story posted anywhere other than the author’s
> > livejournal, so the link is to Chapter 4, which has the
> links to the
> > first 3 chapters at the
> > top.)
> >
>
> Maybe rephrase this last part more formally? Something like.
> "(This link points to chapter four, posted at the author's
> livejournal. Links to the first three chapters are at the top.)"

>
> > Hobbits (944): Marta
> > G, Reason for Rating: n/a
> > Romance Partners: n/a
> > An attempt to collect the different quotes from "The Lord of the
> > Rings" and "The Hobbit" pertaining to Shire-lore.
> Currently reflects
> > books I-IV of "The Lord of the Rings". (WIP)
> >
>
> I thought this was going to go in a Hobbits/Incomplete
> category? Maybe I misunderstood. Remember how I explained
> that it really didn't fit in LOTR very well, and if we really
> couldn't make a Hobbits/WIP category I need to go back and
> add LOTR as a category choice.

>
> > The Best Brew in Buckland (934): Marta PG, Reason for
> Rating: n/a
> > Romance Partners: Faramir/Éowyn While Minas Tirith celebrtes the
> > marriage of Elessar and Arwen, Faramir joins Legolas, Merry, and
> > Pippin for a private get-together. Much alcohol is consumed, and
> > certain stewards of Gondor are embarrassed. Afterwards, Éomer and
> > Gimli tired of the hobbits' glorating, try to help Faramir revenge
> > himself of the humiliation. Also features Imrahil, Elphir,
> Erchiron,
> > Elrohir, and a slew of OCs.
> >
>
> Change celbrtes to celebrates, and Elessar to Aragorn?

>
> > SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: Poetry
> >
> > Close your Eyes (95): Werecat
> > G, Reason for Rating: n/a
> > Romance Partners: n/a
> > a dwarven lullaby
> >
>
> Capitalise "A"?

>
> > SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: Rivendell
> >
> > Out of All Knowledge (178): Budgielover PG-13, Reason for Rating:
> > adult theme, medical gore Romance Partners: N/A The story of what
> > the hobbits felt and experienced those dreadful four
> nights and three
> > days as a dying Frodo is brought to Rivendell.
> >
>
> Technically, this is about the four nights *after* Frodo is
> brought to Rivendell. I know this is probably picky, but
> should the summary be changed to reflect this? Maybe "those
> dreadful four nights and three days as Frodo lay dying in Rivendell"?

>
> > Maps (1111): Kit5 (aka Pippinswolf)
> > G, Reason for Rating: n/a
> > Romance Partners: n/a
> > Merry spent some of his time in Rivendell in the library
> looking at
> > maps.
> > What went through his mind and to whom did he spoke about
> the Quest?
> >
>
> Maybe "did he speak"?

>
> > SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: The Shire
> >
> > For Eyes to See as Can (176): Larner
> > PG, Reason for Rating: rated for suicidal thoughts
> Romance Partners:
> > n/a Written from the point of Sam Gamgee, this is a look at the
> > coming of Frodo Baggins to Bag End, the impact of the Ring on his
> > life, and all that leads to his choice to leave Middle Earth.
> >
>
> Should this be "from the perspective of Sam Gamgee" or "from
> the point of view of Sam Gamgee"? Also, maybe make "Middle
> Earth" "Middle-earth"?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rhapsody_the_bard
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:48 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Books/Time: Lord of the Rings, Check
> Ballot #1

> > Maybe I misunderstood. Remember how I explained that it
> really didn't
> > fit in LOTR very well, and if we really couldn't make a Hobbits/WIP
> > category I need to go back and add LOTR as a category choice.
>
> I don't know, I think Ainea can shed a light on this since
> she placed it there.

>
> >> The Best Brew in Buckland (934): Marta PG, Reason for
> Rating: n/a
> >> Romance Partners: Faramir/Éowyn While Minas Tirith celebrtes the
> >> marriage of Elessar and Arwen, Faramir joins Legolas, Merry, and
> >> Pippin for a private get-together. Much alcohol is consumed, and
> >> certain stewards of Gondor are embarrassed. Afterwards, Éomer and
> >> Gimli tired of the hobbits' glorating, try to help Faramir revenge
> >> himself of the humiliation. Also features Imrahil, Elphir,
> Erchiron,
> >> Elrohir, and a slew of OCs.
> >
> > Change celbrtes to celebrates, and Elessar to Aragorn?
>
> I don't know ;) If Aragorn is called Elessar throughout the
> tale I see no reason to change it. It's your story. What is glorating?

>
> >> SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: Rivendell
> >>
> >> Out of All Knowledge (178): Budgielover PG-13, Reason for Rating:
> >> adult theme, medical gore Romance Partners: N/A The story
> of what the
> >> hobbits felt and experienced those dreadful four nights and three
> >> days as a dying Frodo is brought to Rivendell.
> >
> > Technically, this is about the four nights *after* Frodo is
> brought to
> > Rivendell. I know this is probably picky, but should the summary be
> > changed to reflect this? Maybe "those dreadful four nights
> and three
> > days as Frodo lay dying in Rivendell"?
>
> All authors had to approve the summary when the nomination
> e-mail ended in their mail box, if they approved it like
> that, let it be.
> They know for the best how to summarize their tale.

>
> >> SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: The Shire
> >>
> >> For Eyes to See as Can (176): Larner
> >> PG, Reason for Rating: rated for suicidal thoughts Romance
> Partners:
> >> n/a Written from the point of Sam Gamgee, this is a look at the
> >> coming of Frodo Baggins to Bag End, the impact of the Ring on his
> >> life, and all that leads to his choice to leave Middle Earth.
> >
> > Should this be "from the perspective of Sam Gamgee" or
> "from the point
> > of view of Sam Gamgee"? Also, maybe make "Middle Earth"
> > "Middle-earth"?
>
> Ack no... Tolkien never wrote Middle Earth as Middle-Earth...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rhapsody_the_bard
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:54 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Books/Time: Lord of the Rings, Check
> Ballot #1
>
> <snip>
>
> I am starting to confuse myself. LOL
>
> > > Should this be "from the perspective of Sam Gamgee" or "from the
> > > point of view of Sam Gamgee"? Also, maybe make "Middle Earth"
> > > "Middle-earth"?
> >
> > Ack no... Tolkien never wrote Middle Earth as Middle-Earth...
>
> I meant... Tolkien never wrote Middle-Earth as Middle-earth..
>
> A slight one, but it still is a difference.
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Liz
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 2:53 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Books/Time: Lord of the Rings, Check
> Ballot #1
>
> Hi Rhapsody
>
> > I am starting to confuse myself. LOL
> >
> > > > Should this be "from the perspective of Sam Gamgee" or "from
> the
> > > > point of view of Sam Gamgee"? Also, maybe make "Middle Earth"
> > > > "Middle-earth"?
> > >
> > > Ack no... Tolkien never wrote Middle Earth as Middle-Earth...
> >
> > I meant... Tolkien never wrote Middle-Earth as Middle-earth..
> >
> > A slight one, but it still is a difference.
>
> I'm afraid you're starting to confuse *me*, because in both
> my 25 yo copty of LotR published by Unwin and my
> bought-3-years-ago (and based on the supposedly definitive
> e-text) copy published by HarperCollins, it distinctly says
> Middle-earth, not Middle Earth or Middle-Earth. So surely
> Middle-earth is the correct "canon" form (whether or not you
> want to correct the summary of the story)?

> > >ý SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: Gondor
> > >
> > >ý The Council of Elrond (900): Lindeleaý G, Reason for Rating: N/Aý
> > > Romance Partners: N/Aý A Serious Scholarly Work, an
> > Endeavor to cast
> > > this Great Event into Poetryý and shorten its Length for
> > the sake of
> > > the Gentle Reader. (With apologies toý Lewis Carroll)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > This categorisation doesn't make sense. The three categories are Gr:
> > Crossover, Gr: Humor, and RP: Cross-cultural. Also, it's a
> > poem. I've reassigned it to Gr: Crossover/Poetry.
>
> Hmmm...not sure how it ended up there.
>

> > >ý On Becoming An Adventurer (1161): Piplover (aka Pipfan)ý G,
> Reason
> > > for Rating: n/aý Romance Partners: n/aý What was the price
> > of leaving
> > > the Shire, and everything they had knowný behind?
> > >
> >
> > Delete comma after "Shire"?
>
> Nope.ý I think you'll be sensing a pattern here.
>

> > >ý Cormallen (807): Mariposa
> > >ý PG, Reason for Rating: PG for descriptions of injuries and angst.
> > >ý Romance Partners: N/A
> > >ý Pippin's wounding at the Last Battle, and his care in Ithilien.
> (I
> > > couldnýtý find the story posted anywhere other than the authorýs
> > > livejournal, so theý link is to Chapter 4, which has the
> > links to the
> > > first 3 chapters at the
> > >ý top.)
> > >
> >
> > Maybe rephrase this last part more formally? Something like.
> > "(This link points to chapter four, posted at the author's
> > livejournal. Links to the first three chapters are at the top.)"
>
> Goodness. Why don't we put in the link to the first chapter?ý Does it
> have a
> link to the next? .... I just went and looked and no, it doesn't.ý
> That is
> not good.ý Next year when something like this happens, the Liaison
> should
> have asked the author to post her story somewhere else or at least
> add links
> to go from chapter 1 on.ý It's this sort of thing that last year made
> me say
> Tolkien Online wasn't ellible this year.
>

> >
> > >ý Hobbits (944): Marta
> > >ý G, Reason for Rating: n/a
> > >ý Romance Partners: n/a
> > >ý An attempt to collect the different quotes from "The Lord of the
> > > Rings" andý "The Hobbit" pertaining to Shire-lore.
> > Currently reflects
> > > books I-IV of "Theý Lord of the Rings". (WIP)
> > >
> >
> > I thought this was going to go in a Hobbits/Incomplete
> > category? Maybe I misunderstood. Remember how I explained
> > that it really didn't fit in LOTR very well, and if we really
> > couldn't make a Hobbits/WIP category I need to go back and
> > add LOTR as a category choice.
>
> Strangely, it has only 2 top choices for categories.
>
> Hobbitsý (Story details)
> (Incomplete: Short Story) Rating: G [Self-nominated.]
> Suggested Award Categories:
> Genres: Non-Fiction
> Races/Places: Hobbits
> Suggested SubCategories: Hobbits, essay
> Story Summary: An attempt to collect the different quotes from "The
> Lord of
> the Rings" and "The Hobbit" pertaining to Shire-lore. Currently
> reflects
> books I-IV of "The Lord of the Rings". (WIP)
>
> The problem is there is no Hobbits\Incomplete category.
>

> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:
> >
> > On 7 Jun 2005, at 00:12, Ainaechoiriel wrote:
> >
> > > Check Ballots for Main Category Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings
> > >
> > >  Isildur's Inheritance (1299): Gwynnyd
> > >  G, Reason for Rating: n/a
> > >  Romance Partners: n/a
> > >  Aragorn is tempted by the Ring
> > >
> >
> > Insert period at the end of summary?
> <snip>
> >>  SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: Drabble
> >>
> >>  'Peering in the water as the dark eve fell, I caught him, Gollum.'
> >> (19):
> >>  Avon
> >>  PG, Reason for Rating: Generally dark atmosphere.
> >>  Romance Partners: N/A
> >>  Drabble. Aragorn captures Gollum.
> >>
> >
> > Delete period at end of "generally dark atmosphere"?
>
> This is something I don't understand from your suggestions. In one
> field you say delete the period, in another you want to add them. If
> you want consistency, keep the periods in both fields at the end of
> the line.
>

> >>  The Best Brew in Buckland (934): Marta
> >>  PG, Reason for Rating: n/a
> >>  Romance Partners: Faramir/Éowyn
> >>  While Minas Tirith celebrtes the marriage of Elessar and Arwen,
> >> Faramir joins Legolas, Merry, and Pippin for a private
> >> get-together. Much alcohol is consumed, and certain stewards of
> >> Gondor are embarrassed. Afterwards, Éomer and Gimli tired of the
> >> hobbits' glorating, try to help Faramir revenge himself of the
> >> humiliation. Also features Imrahil, Elphir, Erchiron, Elrohir, and
> >> a slew of OCs.
> >
> > Change celbrtes to celebrates, and Elessar to Aragorn?
>
> I don't know ;) If Aragorn is called Elessar throughout the tale I see
> no reason to change it. It's your story. What is glorating?
>

> >> SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: Rivendell
> >>
> >> Out of All Knowledge (178): Budgielover
> >> PG-13, Reason for Rating: adult theme, medical gore
> >> Romance Partners: N/A
> >> The story of what the hobbits felt and experienced those dreadful
> >> four nights and three days as a dying Frodo is brought to
> >> Rivendell.
> >
> > Technically, this is about the four nights *after* Frodo is brought
> > to Rivendell. I know this is probably picky, but should the summary
> > be changed to reflect this? Maybe "those dreadful four nights and
> > three days as Frodo lay dying in Rivendell"?
>
> All authors had to approve the summary when the nomination e-mail
> ended in their mail box, if they approved it like that, let it be.
> They know for the best how to summarize their tale.
>

> >>  SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: The Shire
> >>
> >> For Eyes to See as Can (176): Larner
> >> PG, Reason for Rating: rated for suicidal thoughts
> >> Romance Partners: n/a
> >> Written from the point of Sam Gamgee, this is a look at the coming
> >> of Frodo Baggins to Bag End, the impact of the Ring on his life,
> >> and all that leads to his choice to leave Middle Earth.
> >
> > Should this be "from the perspective of Sam Gamgee" or "from the
> > point of view of Sam Gamgee"? Also, maybe make "Middle Earth"
> > "Middle-earth"?
>
> Ack no... Tolkien never wrote Middle Earth as Middle-Earth...

> :c)
>

>>>>  SubCategory: Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings: Gondor

>>>>  Cormallen (807): Mariposa
>>>>  PG, Reason for Rating: PG for descriptions of injuries and
>>>> angst.
>>>>  Romance Partners: N/A
>>>>  Pippin's wounding at the Last Battle, and his care in Ithilien.
>>>> (I couldn't  find the story posted anywhere other than the
>>>> author's livejournal, so the  link is to Chapter 4, which has the
>>>> links to the first 3 chapters at the top.)
>>>
>>> Maybe rephrase this last part more formally? Something like.
>>> "(This link points to chapter four, posted at the author's
>>> livejournal. Links to the first three chapters are at the top.)"
>>
>> Goodness. Why don't we put in the link to the first chapter? 
>> Does it have a link to the next? .... I just went and looked and
>> no, it doesn't.  That is not good.  Next year when something like
>> this happens, the Liaison should have asked the author to post her
>> story somewhere else or at least add links to go from chapter 1
>> on.  It's this sort of thing that last year made me say
>> Tolkien Online wasn't ellible this year.
>
> I know. And I'm not sure who the liaison was, and why they didn't
> check it.

>>>>  Hobbits (944): Marta
>>>>  G, Reason for Rating: n/a
>>>>  Romance Partners: n/a
>>>>  An attempt to collect the different quotes from "The Lord of the
>>>> Rings" and  "The Hobbit" pertaining to Shire-lore.
>>>> Currently reflects books I-IV of "The  Lord of the Rings". (WIP)
>>>
>>> I thought this was going to go in a Hobbits/Incomplete
>>> category? Maybe I misunderstood. Remember how I explained
>>> that it really didn't fit in LOTR very well, and if we really
>>> couldn't make a Hobbits/WIP category I need to go back and
>>> add LOTR as a category choice.
>>
>> Strangely, it has only 2 top choices for categories.
>>
>> Hobbits  (Story details)
>> (Incomplete: Short Story) Rating: G [Self-nominated.]
>> Suggested Award Categories:
>> Genres: Non-Fiction
>> Races/Places: Hobbits
>> Suggested SubCategories: Hobbits, essay
>> Story Summary: An attempt to collect the different quotes
>> from "The Lord of the Rings" and "The Hobbit" pertaining to Shire-
>> lore. Currently reflects books I-IV of "The Lord of the Rings".
>> (WIP)
>>
>> The problem is there is no Hobbits\Incomplete category.
>
> It only has two categories because it's an essay. Essays were only
> required to have two choices.

> I thought someone said over at the staff list that this essay would
> make hobbits/incomplete viable, but maybe I'm misremembering.

> In any event, if Hobbit/Incomplete can't run, LOTR is as good as
> anything else. It's not really about the events of LOTR, but so far
> it only draws information from LOTR. Eventually I'll expand it to
> include The Hobbit and the Letters, and maybe even the HOME drafts
> (hey, I can dream right ;-P ) So I guess LOTR is as good as it can
> get.

>

> > All authors had to approve the summary when the nomination e-mail
> > ended in their mail box, if they approved it like that, let it be.
> > They know for the best how to summarize their tale.
> >
>
> Check out my earlier email to Ainae on this subject. Last year the
> authors didn't have to approve the information, it was just provided by
> the nominator. So we corrected things like this, and I assumed we were
> doing the same thing this year. An incorrect assumption on my part; mea
> culpa.

> On 6/8/05, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:> > > > > > All

>> I think one of the reasons why so many small "errors" exist is

On 6/8/05, sulriel <Sulriel@htcomp.net> wrote:
> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, C Dodd <rabidsamfan@v...> wrote:
> > On 6/8/05, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:> > > > > > All
> authors had to approve the summary when the nomination e-mail> > >
> ended in their mail box, if they approved it like that, let it
>
> >> I think one of the reasons why so many small "errors" exist is
> because> the authors who were approving the information did not have
> a style> guide that said things like, "please use a complete sentence
> with a> period at the end for the summary, but it isn't necessary to
> do so for> the reason for rating entry" etc. I know I was working
> only with the> material in front of me, and couldn't compare it to
> other entries. > Personally, I was so excited about getting the e-
> mail that my beta> skills were reduced to "is it mostly in English?
> OKAY!"
>
>
> I didn't see the 'approve nomination' email until late in the game,
> but I think it needs to be revamped with the most basic information
> at the very top.
>
> (for example:)
> Your story has been nominated.
> We need you to verify, correct the nomination and REPLY in order for
> this story to run in the contest.
>
> ::list information::
>
> then have all the information about the MEFAs below.
>
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: C Dodd
To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [MEFAwards] *save for post mortem* / Re: Books/Time: Lord of the Rings, Check Ballot #1


Yeah, you're right, this sort of thing probably does belong in the
post-mortem. I won't remember it by then of course, so I make note of
my thoughts now.

While stylistic differences from entry to entry don't really matter as
long as the information is clear, I'll admit my professional
preference is for consistency. Now that I've got a little more
caffeine in me, I can see that achieving conformity to a standard
(always use N/A instead of n/a or NA, etc.) is only going to be
possible if it begins to be addressed at a much earlier stage than the
check-ballots. It would probably be the province of the author
liaisons as they take the nominations and bring them to the authors.

It all depends, of course, on how much of an irritant inconsistency is
to the folks who are working through the material.

On 6/8/05, sulriel <Sulriel@htcomp.net> wrote:
> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, C Dodd <rabidsamfan@v...> wrote:
> > On 6/8/05, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:> > > > > > All
> authors had to approve the summary when the nomination e-mail> > >
> ended in their mail box, if they approved it like that, let it
>
> >> I think one of the reasons why so many small "errors" exist is
> because> the authors who were approving the information did not have
> a style> guide that said things like, "please use a complete sentence
> with a> period at the end for the summary, but it isn't necessary to
> do so for> the reason for rating entry" etc. I know I was working
> only with the> material in front of me, and couldn't compare it to
> other entries. > Personally, I was so excited about getting the e-
> mail that my beta> skills were reduced to "is it mostly in English?
> OKAY!"
>
>
> I didn't see the 'approve nomination' email until late in the game,
> but I think it needs to be revamped with the most basic information
> at the very top.
>
> (for example:)
> Your story has been nominated.
> We need you to verify, correct the nomination and REPLY in order for
> this story to run in the contest.
>
> ::list information::
>
> then have all the information about the MEFAs below.
>
>
>
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> On 6/8/05, Marta Layton <melayton@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
>
> > >  All authors had to approve the summary when the nomination e-mail
> > >  ended in their mail box, if they approved it like that, let it
> be.
> > >  They know for the best how to summarize their tale.
> > >
> >
> > Check out my earlier email to Ainae on this subject. Last year the
> > authors didn't have to approve the information, it was just
> provided by
> > the nominator. So we corrected things like this, and I assumed we
> were
> > doing the same thing this year. An incorrect assumption on my part;
> mea
> > culpa.
>
>
> I think one of the reasons why so many small "errors" exist is because
> the authors who were approving the information did not have a style
> guide that said things like, "please use a complete sentence with a
> period at the end for the summary, but it isn't necessary to do so for
> the reason for rating entry" etc.  I know I was working only with the
> material in front of me, and couldn't compare it to other entries.
> Personally, I was so excited about getting the e-mail that my beta
> skills were reduced to "is it mostly in English? OKAY!"
>

><snip>
> That makes sense, and I understand why that would be the case. I'm
> not sure how much of an effort we should make to be consistent. It
> seems important to me because it makes the awards seem more
> professional, but I have already confessed to being something of a
> research geek. I like for everything to be lined up in neat little
> columns. (*waves* at Elena Tiriel, who has done much to encourage
> this tendency.) Others will probably not care to be as thorough as
> I have been.

On 6/9/05, aelfwina@cableone.net <aelfwina@cableone.net> wrote:
> I think a lot of the inconsistency is due to the nominators. In my case,
> when I nommed a fic, I usually simply cut-and-pasted the summary from
> whatever archive the fic was housed in. Since I am sure that I'm not the
> only one who did this, that was the result. And since different archives
> have different requirements in some cases for their summaries...
>
> I think, like RSF, that many of the authors were so overwhelmed by the honor
> that they simply okayed the nominations without being as thorough in
> checking as they might otherwise have been.
>
> This is definitely something that should be put in the reminder-thingie for
> post mortem discussion.
>
> Dreamflower
> (Barbara)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: C Dodd
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [MEFAwards] *save for post mortem* / Re: Books/Time: Lord of
> the Rings, Check Ballot #1
>
>
> Yeah, you're right, this sort of thing probably does belong in the
> post-mortem. I won't remember it by then of course, so I make note of
> my thoughts now.
>
> While stylistic differences from entry to entry don't really matter as
> long as the information is clear, I'll admit my professional
> preference is for consistency. Now that I've got a little more
> caffeine in me, I can see that achieving conformity to a standard
> (always use N/A instead of n/a or NA, etc.) is only going to be
> possible if it begins to be addressed at a much earlier stage than the
> check-ballots. It would probably be the province of the author
> liaisons as they take the nominations and bring them to the authors.
>
> It all depends, of course, on how much of an irritant inconsistency is
> to the folks who are working through the material.
>
> On 6/8/05, sulriel <Sulriel@htcomp.net> wrote:
> > --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, C Dodd <rabidsamfan@v...> wrote:
> > > On 6/8/05, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:> > > > > > All
> > authors had to approve the summary when the nomination e-mail> > >
> > ended in their mail box, if they approved it like that, let it
> >
> > >> I think one of the reasons why so many small "errors" exist is
> > because> the authors who were approving the information did not have
> > a style> guide that said things like, "please use a complete sentence
> > with a> period at the end for the summary, but it isn't necessary to
> > do so for> the reason for rating entry" etc. I know I was working
> > only with the> material in front of me, and couldn't compare it to
> > other entries. > Personally, I was so excited about getting the e-
> > mail that my beta> skills were reduced to "is it mostly in English?
> > OKAY!"
> >
> >
> > I didn't see the 'approve nomination' email until late in the game,
> > but I think it needs to be revamped with the most basic information
> > at the very top.
> >
> > (for example:)
> > Your story has been nominated.
> > We need you to verify, correct the nomination and REPLY in order for
> > this story to run in the contest.
> >
> > ::list information::
> >
> > then have all the information about the MEFAs below.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
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> >
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On 6/8/05, Marta Layton <melayton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 8 Jun 2005, at 08:20, C Dodd wrote:
>
> > On 6/8/05, Marta Layton <melayton@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> >
> > > > All authors had to approve the summary when the nomination e-mail
> > > > ended in their mail box, if they approved it like that, let it
> > be.
> > > > They know for the best how to summarize their tale.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Check out my earlier email to Ainae on this subject. Last year the
> > > authors didn't have to approve the information, it was just
> > provided by
> > > the nominator. So we corrected things like this, and I assumed we
> > were
> > > doing the same thing this year. An incorrect assumption on my part;
> > mea
> > > culpa.
> >
> >
> > I think one of the reasons why so many small "errors" exist is because
> > the authors who were approving the information did not have a style
> > guide that said things like, "please use a complete sentence with a
> > period at the end for the summary, but it isn't necessary to do so for
> > the reason for rating entry" etc. I know I was working only with the
> > material in front of me, and couldn't compare it to other entries.
> > Personally, I was so excited about getting the e-mail that my beta
> > skills were reduced to "is it mostly in English? OKAY!"
> >
>
> That makes sense, and I understand why that would be the case. I'm not
> sure how much of an effort we should make to be consistent. It seems
> important to me because it makes the awards seem more professional, but
> I have already confessed to being something of a research geek. I like
> for everything to be lined up in neat little columns. (*waves* at Elena
> Tiriel, who has done much to encourage this tendency.) Others will
> probably not care to be as thorough as I have been.
>
> I think I was confused as to what exactly Ainae wanted. Most of the
> things I suggested were the kinds of things we fixed last year (whether
> we should have or not). If they're too specific for this year, that's
> fine. I do understand, and sorry to be a nuisance.
>
> Marta
> *****
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> I think a lot of the inconsistency is due to the nominators.  In my
> case, when I nommed a fic, I usually simply cut-and-pasted the summary
> from whatever archive the fic was housed in.  Since I am sure that I'm
> not the only one who did this, that was the result. And since
> different archives have different requirements in some cases for their
> summaries...
>

> I think, like RSF, that many of the authors were so overwhelmed by
> the honor that they simply okayed the nominations without being as
> thorough in checking as they might otherwise have been.
>

> This is definitely something that should be put in the
> reminder-thingie for post mortem discussion.
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of C Dodd
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:09 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MEFAwards] *save for post mortem* / Re:
> Books/Time: Lord of the Rings, Check Ballot #1
>
> Yeah, you're right, this sort of thing probably does belong
> in the post-mortem. I won't remember it by then of course, so
> I make note of my thoughts now.
>
> While stylistic differences from entry to entry don't really
> matter as long as the information is clear, I'll admit my
> professional preference is for consistency. Now that I've
> got a little more caffeine in me, I can see that achieving
> conformity to a standard (always use N/A instead of n/a or
> NA, etc.) is only going to be possible if it begins to be
> addressed at a much earlier stage than the check-ballots. It
> would probably be the province of the author liaisons as they
> take the nominations and bring them to the authors.
>
> It all depends, of course, on how much of an irritant
> inconsistency is to the folks who are working through the material.
>
> On 6/8/05, sulriel <Sulriel@htcomp.net> wrote:
> > --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, C Dodd <rabidsamfan@v...> wrote:
> > > On 6/8/05, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:> > > > > > All
> > authors had to approve the summary when the nomination e-mail> > >
> > ended in their mail box, if they approved it like that, let it
> >
> > >> I think one of the reasons why so many small "errors" exist is
> > because> the authors who were approving the information did not have
> > a style> guide that said things like, "please use a
> complete sentence
> > with a> period at the end for the summary, but it isn't
> necessary to
> > do so for> the reason for rating entry" etc. I know I was working
> > only with the> material in front of me, and couldn't compare it to
> > other entries. > Personally, I was so excited about getting the e-
> > mail that my beta> skills were reduced to "is it mostly in English?
> > OKAY!"
> >
> >
> > I didn't see the 'approve nomination' email until late in the game,
> > but I think it needs to be revamped with the most basic
> information at
> > the very top.
> >
> > (for example:)
> > Your story has been nominated.
> > We need you to verify, correct the nomination and REPLY in
> order for
> > this story to run in the contest.
> >
> > ::list information::
> >
> > then have all the information about the MEFAs below.
> >
> >
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of aelfwina@cableone.net
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:34 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MEFAwards] *save for post mortem* / Re:
> Books/Time: Lord of the Rings, Check Ballot #1
>
> I think a lot of the inconsistency is due to the nominators.
> In my case, when I nommed a fic, I usually simply
> cut-and-pasted the summary from whatever archive the fic was
> housed in. Since I am sure that I'm not the only one who did
> this, that was the result. And since different archives have
> different requirements in some cases for their summaries...
>
> I think, like RSF, that many of the authors were so
> overwhelmed by the honor that they simply okayed the
> nominations without being as thorough in checking as they
> might otherwise have been.
>
> This is definitely something that should be put in the
> reminder-thingie for post mortem discussion.
>
> Dreamflower
> (Barbara)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: C Dodd
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [MEFAwards] *save for post mortem* / Re:
> Books/Time: Lord of the Rings, Check Ballot #1
>
>
> Yeah, you're right, this sort of thing probably does belong in the
> post-mortem. I won't remember it by then of course, so I
> make note of
> my thoughts now.
>
> While stylistic differences from entry to entry don't
> really matter as
> long as the information is clear, I'll admit my professional
> preference is for consistency. Now that I've got a little more
> caffeine in me, I can see that achieving conformity to a standard
> (always use N/A instead of n/a or NA, etc.) is only going to be
> possible if it begins to be addressed at a much earlier
> stage than the
> check-ballots. It would probably be the province of the author
> liaisons as they take the nominations and bring them to the authors.
>
> It all depends, of course, on how much of an irritant
> inconsistency is
> to the folks who are working through the material.
>
> On 6/8/05, sulriel <Sulriel@htcomp.net> wrote:
> > --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, C Dodd <rabidsamfan@v...> wrote:
> > > On 6/8/05, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:> > > > > > All
> > authors had to approve the summary when the nomination e-mail> > >
> > ended in their mail box, if they approved it like that, let it
> >
> > >> I think one of the reasons why so many small "errors" exist is
> > because> the authors who were approving the information
> did not have
> > a style> guide that said things like, "please use a
> complete sentence
> > with a> period at the end for the summary, but it isn't
> necessary to
> > do so for> the reason for rating entry" etc. I know I was working
> > only with the> material in front of me, and couldn't compare it to
> > other entries. > Personally, I was so excited about getting the e-
> > mail that my beta> skills were reduced to "is it mostly
> in English?
> > OKAY!"
> >
> >
> > I didn't see the 'approve nomination' email until late in
> the game,
> > but I think it needs to be revamped with the most basic
> information
> > at the very top.
> >
> > (for example:)
> > Your story has been nominated.
> > We need you to verify, correct the nomination and REPLY
> in order for
> > this story to run in the contest.
> >
> > ::list information::
> >
> > then have all the information about the MEFAs below.
> >
> >
> >
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marta Layton
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:59 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MEFAwards] Re: Books/Time: Lord of the Rings,
> Check Ballot #1

>
> That makes sense, and I understand why that would be the
> case. I'm not sure how much of an effort we should make to be
> consistent. It seems important to me because it makes the
> awards seem more professional, but I have already confessed
> to being something of a research geek. I like for everything
> to be lined up in neat little columns. (*waves* at Elena
> Tiriel, who has done much to encourage this tendency.) Others
> will probably not care to be as thorough as I have been.
>
> I think I was confused as to what exactly Ainae wanted. Most
> of the things I suggested were the kinds of things we fixed
> last year (whether we should have or not). If they're too
> specific for this year, that's fine. I do understand, and
> sorry to be a nuisance.

> If I had more time and less things to do I might bother with making them all
> look uniform. But I don't have either. Next year, if you want to make all
> those edits during Check Ballot season, feel free. This year, I'm just not
> going to.
>
> --Ainaechoiriel
> MEFA Admin and Founder