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Blood of Kings, The (225): Chris
G, Reason for Rating: n/a
Romance Partners: n/a
How do you face a rite of passage without your father? Théoden helps Éomer
just after Éomund's death.

The Clasp Undone (691): DragonLady7
PG, Reason for Rating: adult themes
Romance Partners: n/a
A gapfiller, after Theodred's death and before Gandalf frees Theoden, mostly
dealing with Eomer's grief for his cousin. Verses stolen from the medieval
"Marwnad Llywelyn."

Theodred's Tale (305): Elana
R, Reason for Rating: Violence.
Romance Partners: Theodred/f
Stunned by news of Saruman's treachery, Theodred must ready Rohan for war,
while dealing with the machinations of Grima Wormtongue and the decline of
his father King Theoden. Can he keep the secret of his love for Elana,
mother of a half-orc child? How can he stay true to all his varied
loyalties, as the Battle of the Fords of Isen grows ever closer? Sequel to
Elana's Tale.

Marriage of Souls (334): ErinRua
G, Reason for Rating: n/a
Romance Partners: Eomer/Lothíriel
Éomer of Rohan is now king of the Riddermark, and he must make a very
special decision. Will he follow his heart, or must duty dictate his choice?

The Bonding (423): Isil Elensar
G, Reason for Rating: n/a
Romance Partners: n/a
The tale of young Eowyn and her first horse.

Last Hero (37): Joan Milligan
PG, Reason for Rating: battlefield violence
Romance Partners: n/a
At the battle of the Pelennor Fields, Eomer is thrown headfirst into the
reality of the war.

Like a Woman (509): Salsify
G, Reason for Rating: n/a
Romance Partners: n/a
Éowyn's cousin gives her interpretation of the heroine/deserter question.

Marked (904): simbelmyne
PG, Reason for Rating: non-graphic adult situations
Romance Partners: Boromir/Theodred
Eowyn observes a painful parting.



SubCategory: Races/Places: Rohan: Drabble

Challenge (207): Cheryl
G, Reason for Rating: n/a
Romance Partners: n/a
Eomer tries to break Firefoot.

Legacy of the Blessed (1351): Dwimordene
G, Reason for Rating: n/a
Romance Partners: n/a
Éomer and Éowyn ponder the fate of their Dunlending prisoners.

Metamorphosis (239): Dwimordene
G, Reason for Rating: n/a
Romance Partners: n/a
Eowyn decides to ride to Gondor as Dernhelm.

Third Line (331): Elvenesse
G, Reason for Rating: n/a
Romance Partners: n/a
Éomer's thoughts on the way to the Black Gate.

To Reconcile (336): ErinRua
G, Reason for Rating: n/a
Romance Partners: Faramir/Éowyn
Éomer realizes how little he knows about his sister.

Folly (366): Forodwaith
G, Reason for Rating: n/a
Romance Partners: n/a
Éowyn speaks with Elfhelm, wanting his permission for her to ride to Gondor.

Call on the Wind (935): Marta
G, Reason for Rating: n/a
Romance Partners: n/a
Éomer hears Boromir's last horn call from Amon Hen.

So Other Men May Fight (958): Marta
G, Reason for Rating: n/a
Romance Partners: n/a
Bergil tries to convince his father to let him stay in Minas Tirith.

The Road to Isengard (1326): Marta
PG, Reason for Rating: violent imagery
Romance Partners: n/a
A drabble about the riding of Théoden's guard and Gandalf's companions,
between their leaving Helm's Deep and their arriving at Isengard.

To Shield a Shield-maiden (964): Marta
PG-13, Reason for Rating: adult themes, implied (non-consensual) sexuality
Romance Partners: n/a
Théodred watches Éowyn practice her swordsmanship and muses on his cousin.

His Own Wisdom (493): Nessime
G, Reason for Rating: n/a
Romance Partners: n/a
Háma must decide whether to follow orders or trust to his own judgment



SubCategory: Races/Places: Rohan: Original Characters

Night and Fog (670): Azalais
PG, Reason for Rating: scary imagery
Romance Partners: n/a
"They reached the west-shores of Anduin a little north of Sarn Gebir, as
they had trysted; and there received horses and raiment that were secretly
ferried over the River." What a lad from the Eastemnet saw one night in July
3018 on the banks of the Anduin.

We Who Remain (719): Elvenesse
PG, Reason for Rating: Adult Themes
Romance Partners: n/a
A vignette on a young girl of Rohan as she returns home at the end of the
war.

The Quest (437): Isil Elensar
R, Reason for Rating: One chapter has sexual content
Romance Partners: Orophin/F
Rian Ithilmir has come to Lorien for the first time. What she's unaware of
is that she's been long expected there.

Abrecan (433): Rhapsody
G, Reason for Rating: G-rated
Romance Partners: n/a
Many tales haven been spun and told about Thorongil. Ever heard the tale of
how he met a lady that outmatched him? Meet Abrecan.

Sulnur (145): sulriel
PG, Reason for Rating: innuendo
Romance Partners: n/a
As the Eorlingas prepare for battle, one rider makes his choice.

Boar and Steward (564): thevina_finduilas
G, Reason for Rating: n/a
Romance Partners: n/a
An eight year old girl of Rohan unwittingly uncover a piece of history, but
it takes a very unexpected visitor from a stranger to give her the clues to
discover its source.



SubCategory: Races/Places: Rohan: Romance

Morwen and Eredh (1059): Chris
PG, Reason for Rating: mild sexual suggestion
Romance Partners: m/f
Named for a Queen known as Steelsheen, Morwens'greatest test of strength
comes not during battle, but in surviving. Her mettle is proven by living
joyfully in the uncertain and all too brief days she has with her Ranger.

Jessed (213): Cupiscent
R, Reason for Rating: sexual activity
Romance Partners: Eowyn, Hama
Háma serves Rohan and the Lady with soul, body... and heart.

A Question of Honour (413): Honesty
R, Reason for Rating: adult themes, violence, erotic content
Romance Partners: Éomer/Gimli
Gimli and Éomer at their antagonistic best. Very, very slashy. But
book-based, believe it or not.

Translation (988): marastar
PG-13, Reason for Rating: erotic content, adult themes
Romance Partners: Faramir/Éowyn
Faramir learns a new language.

Triptych (901): simbelmyne
PG-13, Reason for Rating: adult content (non-graphic)
Romance Partners: Boromir/Theodred
Triple-drabble: twilight, midnight, and daylight. They have only the time
between nightfall and sunrise.



SubCategory: Races/Places: Rohan: Vignette

All That Was Beauitiful (1270): Citrine
G, Reason for Rating: n/a
Romance Partners: n/a
Eowyn's first meeting with Grima. One shot vignette, G-rated, but slightly
creepy.

Justice (244): Dwimordene
G, Reason for Rating: n/a
Romance Partners: n/a
Dwim's attempt to answer the question "Is Éowyn a deserter or a heroine?
Features Éomer, Éowyn, and Elfhelm.

Among the Fields of Green (280): ErinRua
PG, Reason for Rating: adult themes
Romance Partners: n/a
Elfhelm of Rohan remembers the death of Théodred, son of Théoden, at the
battle for the Fords of Isen.

To Hope's End (335): ErinRua
G, Reason for Rating: n/a
Romance Partners: n/a
A Rohirrim warrior on the Pelennor Field bears witness to the Witch King's
fall, and from it draws his own grim courage.

Rekindled (1089): Kielle
PG, Reason for Rating: adult themes, graphic description
Romance Partners: n/a
Helm Hammerhand's nephew Frealaf has bloodily reclaimed Edoras by slaying
the usurper Wulf, but one task remains... A brief bittersweet tale of Rohan,
set just after the only time the people of the Mark were ever routed by
invaders.

Defense Enough (492): Nessime
G, Reason for Rating: n/a
Romance Partners: n/a
Grimbold considers the defense of the Fords of Isen.

Bystander (903): simbelmyne
PG-13, Reason for Rating: non-graphic adult situations
Romance Partners: Boromir/Theodred
Elfhelm observes the Prince of the Mark and the Captain of the White Tower
in an unguarded moment.

Strength (829): Songspinner
G, Reason for Rating: N/A
Romance Partners: N/A
Merry, speaking with Legolas after Pippin leaves with Gandalf, comes to some
truths that prove to be both startling and comforting.

Hero (594): Tiana Luthien
G, Reason for Rating: n/a
Romance Partners: n/a
A young boy visits Éomer while he's in prison and discovers that his hero is
something other than he expected.


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--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "Ainaechoiriel" <mefaadmin@e...>
wrote:

> Check Ballots for Main Category Races/Places: Rohan
>
> The Quest (437): Isil Elensar
> R, Reason for Rating: One chapter has sexual content
> Romance Partners: Orophin/F
> Rian Ithilmir has come to Lorien for the first time. What she's
> unaware of is that she's been long expected there.

I am sorry that I am spotting this right now, but this story is more
about Lorien then Rohan (out of the 12 chapters, one or 2 take place in
Rohan, I believe also one takes place in Gondor). So it doesn't belong
here.

Rhapsody

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "Ainaechoiriel" <mefaadmin@e...> wrote:

> Check Ballots for Main Category Races/Places: Rohan

> The Bonding (423): Isil Elensar
> G, Reason for Rating: n/a
> Romance Partners: n/a
> The tale of young Eowyn and her first horse.

I have another question regarding this one. I know Races/Places: Rohan
comes forth from Races/Places: Men (it graduated from there because it
held 20 or more stories with suggested subcategory Rohan, right?).

Why is this story moved from the first chosen category Books/Time:
Lord of the Rings to this category?

Details:
The Bonding (Story: Short Story)
Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings
Genres: Adventure
Races/Places: Men
Subcategories: Coming of age, Rohirrim culture

>
> Last Hero (37): Joan Milligan
> PG, Reason for Rating: battlefield violence
> Romance Partners: n/a
> At the battle of the Pelennor Fields, Eomer is thrown headfirst into
> the reality of the war.

The same for this one, the first category approved by the author is
Books/Time: Lord of the Rings. The third category here is
Races/places: men, so I don't understand how it ended up in this category.

Approved subcategories by author:

Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings
Genres: Drama (includes Angst)
Races/Places: Men

> SubCategory: Races/Places: Rohan: Original Characters

> The Quest (437): Isil Elensar
> R, Reason for Rating: One chapter has sexual content
> Romance Partners: Orophin/F
> Rian Ithilmir has come to Lorien for the first time. What she's
> unaware of is that she's been long expected there.

As I said, this one doesn't belong here, far from it, it even hasn't
Races/places: men selected as a main category in the first place, so
in this case I am truly wondering what it is doing here.

Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings
Genres: Romance
Races/Places: Cross-Cultural
Suggested SubCategories: Third Age, Lothlorien, Rohan

Rhapsody

This vignette doesn't really belong in R/P: Rohan...

>SubCategory: Races/Places: Rohan: Vignette

>Strength (829): Songspinner
>G, Reason for Rating: N/A
>Romance Partners: N/A
>Merry, speaking with Legolas after Pippin leaves with Gandalf, >comes to some
>truths that prove to be both startling and comforting.

It was nominated in the categories:
Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings,
Races/Places: Cross-Cultural
Genres: Drama (includes Angst)
with the suggested SubCategories: Fellowship, Rohan, friendship, elves

It is a conversation between Merry and Legolas about Pippin, that takes place in Rohan, and the location of the conversation is the only connection to Rohan.

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There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for awhile. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.

Sam, in Mordor, RoTK

Really should be working...

I'll just say this, when a graduated category became available, it was
available for any story that might seem to fit it better. The author didn't
have any chance to decide if Rohan or Gondor or Gap-Filler would be in the
top three. So once they became available, it was just up to the
categorizers to try and decide where a story would fit best.

Know this, and understand it well, we didn't read ever story we categorized.
I looked at subcategory suggestions, 2nd and 3rd choices and summaries.

I don't claim to be perfect. This is what check ballot season is for. More
than checking for missing periods. Categorization is more important.

But please put your requests for changin a category more politely. Think
about this from the categorizers perspective: There were 200 LOTR
nominations. The largest category. And I really do believe it was harder
this year than last. The one thing the MEFA2005 site made harder than the
nmanual work last year. I at first, in a rush, moved very story that
mentioned Rohan and Gondor. Then I rethought it. Went back and looked at
every summary for those I'd moved. I moved some back. I stayed up very late
and worked a long time when I had many other things going on in my life.

This is probably true of every categorizer. I'm not saying not to request us
to move a story. I'm just saying, be understanding when you do. We didn't
put it there because we were stupid. We may not be familiar with the story.
We go by the information presented by the nominator and approved by the
author. We do what we can with what we have. And then we have Check Ballots
to try and fish out the errors.

I will move this (or is it these) story back later this evening.

--Ainaechoiriel
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> From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MarigoldCotton@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:33 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MEFAwards] Races/Places: Rohan, Check Ballot #3
>
> This vignette doesn't really belong in R/P: Rohan...
>
> >SubCategory: Races/Places: Rohan: Vignette
>
> >Strength (829): Songspinner
> >G, Reason for Rating: N/A
> >Romance Partners: N/A
> >Merry, speaking with Legolas after Pippin leaves with
> Gandalf, >comes
> >to some truths that prove to be both startling and comforting.
>
> It was nominated in the categories:
> Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings,
> Races/Places: Cross-Cultural
> Genres: Drama (includes Angst)
> with the suggested SubCategories: Fellowship, Rohan, friendship, elves
>
> It is a conversation between Merry and Legolas about Pippin,
> that takes place in Rohan, and the location of the
> conversation is the only connection to Rohan.
>
> Marigold
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> There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up
> in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for awhile.
> The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the
> forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft,
> clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the
> Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light
> and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.
>
> Sam, in Mordor, RoTK
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"I don't claim to be perfect. This is what check ballot season is for. More
than checking for missing periods. Categorization is more important.

But please put your requests for changin a category more politely."

Yes, this is what check ballot season is for. I certainly didn't imply that anyone was "stupid". I know that all of the stories could not be read by the categorizers, that they might not be familiar with this one. I am, and so, as we were asked to do, I pointed out that I felt the category was wrong, and why, and provided you with all of the pertinent information so that *you* could make a decision about moving it. I wasn't accusatory, nor do I think that I was rude or impolite.

Marigold

n an email dated 9/6/2005 10:32:32 pm GMT Daylight time, "Ainaechoiriel" <mefaadmin@earthlink.net> writes:

>Really should be working...
>
>I'll just say this, when a graduated category became available, it was
>available for any story that might seem to fit it better.  The author didn't
>have any chance to decide if Rohan or Gondor or Gap-Filler would be in the
>top three.  So once they became available, it was just up to the
>categorizers to try and decide where a story would fit best.
>
>Know this, and understand it well, we didn't read ever story we categorized.
>I looked at subcategory suggestions, 2nd and 3rd choices and summaries.  
>
>I don't claim to be perfect.  This is what check ballot season is for.  More
>than checking for missing periods.  Categorization is more important.
>
>But please put your requests for changin a category more politely.  Think
>about this from the categorizers perspective: There were 200 LOTR
>nominations.  The largest category.  And I really do believe it was harder
>this year than last.  The one thing the MEFA2005 site made harder than the
>nmanual work last year.  I at first, in a rush, moved very story that
>mentioned Rohan and Gondor.  Then I rethought it.  Went back and looked at
>every summary for those I'd moved. I moved some back.  I stayed up very late
>and worked a long time when I had many other things going on in my life.
>
>This is probably true of every categorizer. I'm not saying not to request us
>to move a story. I'm just saying, be understanding when you do.  We didn't
>put it there because we were stupid.  We may not be familiar with the story.
>We go by the information presented by the nominator and approved by the
>author.  We do what we can with what we have. And then we have Check Ballots
>to try and fish out the errors.
>
>I will move this (or is it these) story back later this evening.
>
>--Ainaechoiriel
>MEFA Admin and Founder
>
>"This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond said, "for
>it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.
>
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>> From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MarigoldCotton@aol.com
>> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:33 PM
>> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [MEFAwards] Races/Places: Rohan, Check Ballot #3
>>
>> This vignette doesn't really belong in R/P: Rohan...
>>
>> >SubCategory: Races/Places: Rohan: Vignette
>>
>> >Strength (829): Songspinner
>> >G, Reason for Rating: N/A
>> >Romance Partners: N/A
>> >Merry, speaking with Legolas after Pippin leaves with
>> Gandalf, >comes
>> >to some truths that prove to be both startling and comforting.
>>
>> It was nominated in the categories:
>> Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings,
>> Races/Places: Cross-Cultural
>> Genres: Drama (includes Angst)
>> with the suggested SubCategories: Fellowship, Rohan, friendship, elves
>>
>> It is a conversation between Merry and Legolas about Pippin,
>> that takes place in Rohan, and the location of the
>> conversation is the only connection to Rohan.
>>
>> Marigold
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>> There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up
>> in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for awhile.
>> The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the
>> forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft,
>> clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the
>> Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light
>> and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.
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There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for awhile. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.

Sam, in Mordor, RoTK

On 9 Jun 2005, at 15:32, MarigoldCotton@aol.com wrote:

> This vignette doesn't really belong in R/P: Rohan...
>
> >SubCategory: Races/Places: Rohan: Vignette
>
> >Strength (829): Songspinner
> >G, Reason for Rating: N/A
> >Romance Partners: N/A
> >Merry, speaking with Legolas after Pippin leaves with Gandalf,
> >comes to some
> >truths that prove to be both startling and comforting.
>
> It was nominated in the categories:
> Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings,
> Races/Places: Cross-Cultural
> Genres: Drama (includes Angst) 
> with the suggested SubCategories: Fellowship, Rohan, friendship, elves
>
> It is a conversation between Merry and Legolas about Pippin, that
> takes place in Rohan, and the location of the conversation is the only
> connection to Rohan.
>
> Marigold
>

From the subcategories it looks like it would fit into BT: LotR/Elves.
Would this work? The other subcategories are:

- (no subcategory)
- Drabble
- Incomplete
- Poetry
- The Shire
- Rivendell
- Hobbits
- Post-Ring War
- Gondor
- Hurt/Comfort.

Where do you suggest it goes?

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I would say that the one that would fit this story best is "no subcategory"...

Mari

>
>On 9 Jun 2005, at 15:32, MarigoldCotton@aol.com wrote:
>
>> This vignette doesn't really belong in R/P: Rohan...
>>
>>  >SubCategory: Races/Places: Rohan: Vignette
>>
>>  >Strength (829): Songspinner
>>  >G, Reason for Rating: N/A
>>  >Romance Partners: N/A
>>  >Merry, speaking with Legolas after Pippin leaves with Gandalf,
>> >comes to some
>>  >truths that prove to be both startling and comforting.
>>
>>  It was nominated in the categories:
>>  Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings,
>>  Races/Places: Cross-Cultural
>>  Genres: Drama (includes Angst) 
>>  with the suggested SubCategories: Fellowship, Rohan, friendship, elves
>>
>>  It is a conversation between Merry and Legolas about Pippin, that
>> takes place in Rohan, and the location of the conversation is the only
>> connection to Rohan.
>>
>>  Marigold
>>
>
> From the subcategories it looks like it would fit into BT: LotR/Elves.
>Would this work? The other subcategories are:
>
>- (no subcategory)
>- Drabble
>- Incomplete
>- Poetry
>- The Shire
>- Rivendell
>- Hobbits
>- Post-Ring War
>- Gondor
>- Hurt/Comfort.
>
>Where do you suggest it goes?
>
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There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for awhile. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.

Sam, in Mordor, RoTK

Again, I'm commenting now because I won't remember this by September.
I do not expect anyone to act on it now.

As I've begun reading and reviewing, I began by filtering down to just
drabbles, so as to get the small stuff out of the way before I went on
to the longer stories. The filters, of course, are set to the
suggested categories at the moment.

I came across one piece called "Small", which was not a drabble.
http://gabrielle.sytes.net/MEFA2005/index.php?page=storyDetails&form_id=1033

Since I had scanned the check ballots for my own stories more than
anything else and deleted the e-mails, I tried to find out whether or
not the category had been already corrected. With some finagling I
came up with this:

http://gabrielle.sytes.net/MEFA2005/index.php?navbar_search=small&filter=show&page=adminCheckBallots&form_awardcategory_filter=-1

At that point, it was not obvious to me whether or not the main
category for the story was still drabble. I finagled a bit more and
finally came up with this:

http://gabrielle.sytes.net/MEFA2005/index.php?navbar_search=small&filter=show&page=adminCheckBallots&form_awardcategory_filter=8

Which I hope and trust means that the main category is "Races/Places:
Hobbits" and the subcategory is "Pippin."

A search of the entire award category gives me another set of stories
headed as "SubCategory: Races/Places: Hobbits: Drabble", so presumably
the correction has been made.

But I would be a lot more certain of myself if the heading was "Main
Category: Races/Places: Hobbits; Subcategory: Pippin" for the story I
wanted to know about.

(And I'd have been more certain that "drabble" was a subcategory and
not a main category if I'd seen Marta's list before! That's neat!)

The end result of my looking about, of course, was that I *didn't*
send an e-mail saying that "Small" was miscategorized, but it's not
because I'm entirely positive that it isn't. Being on the outside
looking in, I'm not certain how or even if the filters will change
once the ballots have been finalized. As a result I've been hesitant
to comment on any stories except my own.

(It may be that within the Yahoo group, the list of categories and
subcategories has been hashed out long since, but I joined late, and I
can't find it on the 2005 website where I spend most of my time.)

I realize that this looks like I'm doing more whinging than helping
with the awards, and I'm sorry about that. If it's any consolation, I
wouldn't even be thinking about the minor problems if I didn't like
the overall design and pattern of the awards very much. And they are
very minor problems; but may be worth considering at post-mortem time.
(When this message will serve me as a reminder of what I was thinking
in June.)

I believe I've explained why it could end up in Rohan. As for The Quest,
I've moved it.

It's back in LOTR.

--Ainaechoiriel
MEFA Admin and Founder

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rhapsody_the_bard
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:45 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Races/Places: Rohan, Check Ballot #3
>
> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "Ainaechoiriel"
> <mefaadmin@e...> wrote:
> > Check Ballots for Main Category Races/Places: Rohan
>
> > The Bonding (423): Isil Elensar
> > G, Reason for Rating: n/a
> > Romance Partners: n/a
> > The tale of young Eowyn and her first horse.
>
> I have another question regarding this one. I know
> Races/Places: Rohan comes forth from Races/Places: Men (it
> graduated from there because it held 20 or more stories with
> suggested subcategory Rohan, right?).
>
> Why is this story moved from the first chosen category Books/Time:
> Lord of the Rings to this category?
>
> Details:
> The Bonding (Story: Short Story)
> Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings
> Genres: Adventure
> Races/Places: Men
> Subcategories: Coming of age, Rohirrim culture
> >
> > Last Hero (37): Joan Milligan
> > PG, Reason for Rating: battlefield violence Romance
> Partners: n/a At
> > the battle of the Pelennor Fields, Eomer is thrown
> headfirst into the
> > reality of the war.
>
> The same for this one, the first category approved by the author is
> Books/Time: Lord of the Rings. The third category here is
> Races/places: men, so I don't understand how it ended up in
> this category.
>
> Approved subcategories by author:
>
> Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings
> Genres: Drama (includes Angst)
> Races/Places: Men
>
> > SubCategory: Races/Places: Rohan: Original Characters
>
> > The Quest (437): Isil Elensar
> > R, Reason for Rating: One chapter has sexual content
> Romance Partners:
> > Orophin/F Rian Ithilmir has come to Lorien for the first time. What
> > she's unaware of is that she's been long expected there.
>
> As I said, this one doesn't belong here, far from it, it even hasn't
> Races/places: men selected as a main category in the first
> place, so in this case I am truly wondering what it is doing here.
>
> Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings
> Genres: Romance
> Races/Places: Cross-Cultural
> Suggested SubCategories: Third Age, Lothlorien, Rohan
>
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Alright, sorry if I took it that way but I've got a lot to do and it's
getting overwhelming. I'm going to be glad when this is done and we can move
on to reading and commenting.

--Ainaechoiriel
MEFA Admin and Founder

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MarigoldCotton@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 4:59 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [MEFAwards] Races/Places: Rohan, Check Ballot #3
>
> "I don't claim to be perfect. This is what check ballot
> season is for. More than checking for missing periods.
> Categorization is more important.
>
> But please put your requests for changin a category more politely."
>
> Yes, this is what check ballot season is for. I certainly
> didn't imply that anyone was "stupid". I know that all of the
> stories could not be read by the categorizers, that they
> might not be familiar with this one. I am, and so, as we were
> asked to do, I pointed out that I felt the category was
> wrong, and why, and provided you with all of the pertinent
> information so that *you* could make a decision about moving
> it. I wasn't accusatory, nor do I think that I was rude or impolite.
>
> Marigold
>
> n an email dated 9/6/2005 10:32:32 pm GMT Daylight time,
> "Ainaechoiriel" <mefaadmin@earthlink.net> writes:
>
> >Really should be working...
> >
> >I'll just say this, when a graduated category became
> available, it was
> >available for any story that might seem to fit it better.  
> The author
> >didn't have any chance to decide if Rohan or Gondor or
> Gap-Filler would
> >be in the top three.  So once they became available, it was
> just up to
> >the categorizers to try and decide where a story would fit best.
> >
> >Know this, and understand it well, we didn't read ever story
> we categorized.
> >I looked at subcategory suggestions, 2nd and 3rd choices and
> summaries.
> >
> >I don't claim to be perfect.  This is what check ballot
> season is for.  
> >More than checking for missing periods.  Categorization is
> more important.
> >
> >But please put your requests for changin a category more politely.  
> >Think about this from the categorizers perspective: There
> were 200 LOTR
> >nominations.  The largest category.  And I really do believe it was
> >harder this year than last.  The one thing the MEFA2005 site made
> >harder than the nmanual work last year.  I at first, in a
> rush, moved
> >very story that mentioned Rohan and Gondor.  Then I
> rethought it.  Went
> >back and looked at every summary for those I'd moved. I moved some
> >back.  I stayed up very late and worked a long time when I
> had many other things going on in my life.
> >
> >This is probably true of every categorizer. I'm not saying not to
> >request us to move a story. I'm just saying, be
> understanding when you
> >do.  We didn't put it there because we were stupid.  We may
> not be familiar with the story.
> >We go by the information presented by the nominator and
> approved by the
> >author.  We do what we can with what we have. And then we have Check
> >Ballots to try and fish out the errors.
> >
> >I will move this (or is it these) story back later this evening.
> >
> >--Ainaechoiriel
> >MEFA Admin and Founder
> >
> >"This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves,"
> Elrond said,
> >"for it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.
> >
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> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> >> [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> >> MarigoldCotton@aol.com
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:33 PM
> >> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: [MEFAwards] Races/Places: Rohan, Check Ballot #3
> >>
> >> This vignette doesn't really belong in R/P: Rohan...
> >>
> >> >SubCategory: Races/Places: Rohan: Vignette
> >>
> >> >Strength (829): Songspinner
> >> >G, Reason for Rating: N/A
> >> >Romance Partners: N/A
> >> >Merry, speaking with Legolas after Pippin leaves with
> >> Gandalf, >comes
> >> >to some truths that prove to be both startling and comforting.
> >>
> >> It was nominated in the categories:
> >> Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings,
> >> Races/Places: Cross-Cultural
> >> Genres: Drama (includes Angst)
> >> with the suggested SubCategories: Fellowship, Rohan, friendship,
> >> elves
> >>
> >> It is a conversation between Merry and Legolas about Pippin, that
> >> takes place in Rohan, and the location of the conversation is the
> >> only connection to Rohan.
> >>
> >> Marigold
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >> www.berryarts.com/marigold
> >>
> >> Marigold's Recommendations Page
> >> http://www.geocities.com/marigoldsrecommendations/
> >>
> >> Marigold's Live Journal
> >> http://www.livejournal.com/users/marigoldg/
> >>
> >> Tales of The Red Book
> >> http://www.livejournal.com/users/talesofredbook/
> >>
> >> There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high
> up in the
> >> mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for awhile.
> >> The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of
> the forsaken
> >> land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear
> and cold, the
> >> thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a
> small and
> >> passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its
> >> reach.
> >>
> >> Sam, in Mordor, RoTK
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> There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up
> in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for awhile.
> The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the
> forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft,
> clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the
> Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light
> and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.
>
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Okay, I moved it back to LOTR.

--Ainaechoiriel
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MarigoldCotton@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:33 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MEFAwards] Races/Places: Rohan, Check Ballot #3
>
> This vignette doesn't really belong in R/P: Rohan...
>
> >SubCategory: Races/Places: Rohan: Vignette
>
> >Strength (829): Songspinner
> >G, Reason for Rating: N/A
> >Romance Partners: N/A
> >Merry, speaking with Legolas after Pippin leaves with
> Gandalf, >comes
> >to some truths that prove to be both startling and comforting.
>
> It was nominated in the categories:
> Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings,
> Races/Places: Cross-Cultural
> Genres: Drama (includes Angst)
> with the suggested SubCategories: Fellowship, Rohan, friendship, elves
>
> It is a conversation between Merry and Legolas about Pippin,
> that takes place in Rohan, and the location of the
> conversation is the only connection to Rohan.
>
> Marigold
>
>
>
> --
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>
> Marigold's Recommendations Page
> http://www.geocities.com/marigoldsrecommendations/
>
> Marigold's Live Journal
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/marigoldg/
>
> Tales of The Red Book
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/talesofredbook/
>
> There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up
> in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for awhile.
> The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the
> forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft,
> clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the
> Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light
> and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.
>
> Sam, in Mordor, RoTK
>
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We're thinking alike now, too. I think I just put it in the main category.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MarigoldCotton@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 6:33 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MEFAwards] Races/Places: Rohan, Check Ballot #3
>
> I would say that the one that would fit this story best is
> "no subcategory"...
>
> Mari
> >
> >On 9 Jun 2005, at 15:32, MarigoldCotton@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> This vignette doesn't really belong in R/P: Rohan...
> >>
> >>  >SubCategory: Races/Places: Rohan: Vignette
> >>
> >>  >Strength (829): Songspinner
> >>  >G, Reason for Rating: N/A
> >>  >Romance Partners: N/A
> >>  >Merry, speaking with Legolas after Pippin leaves with Gandalf,
> >> >comes to some
> >>  >truths that prove to be both startling and comforting.
> >>
> >>  It was nominated in the categories:
> >>  Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings,
> >>  Races/Places: Cross-Cultural
> >>  Genres: Drama (includes Angst)
> >>  with the suggested SubCategories: Fellowship, Rohan, friendship,
> >> elves
> >>
> >>  It is a conversation between Merry and Legolas about Pippin, that
> >> takes place in Rohan, and the location of the conversation is the
> >> only connection to Rohan.
> >>
> >>  Marigold
> >>
> >
> > From the subcategories it looks like it would fit into BT:
> LotR/Elves.
> >Would this work? The other subcategories are:
> >
> >- (no subcategory)
> >- Drabble
> >- Incomplete
> >- Poetry
> >- The Shire
> >- Rivendell
> >- Hobbits
> >- Post-Ring War
> >- Gondor
> >- Hurt/Comfort.
> >
> >Where do you suggest it goes?
> >
> >Marta
> >*****
> >Home is where you hang your @.
> >
> >
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> There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up
> in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for awhile.
> The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the
> forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft,
> clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the
> Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light
> and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.
>
> Sam, in Mordor, RoTK
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Hi RSF,

On 9 Jun 2005, at 21:25, C Dodd wrote:

> Again, I'm commenting now because I won't remember this by September.
> I do not expect anyone to act on it now.
>

If it's a more general thing I want to save discussion until after the
awards over. But I do understand about not remembering! That's why I
created the database of "wish list" items for 2006, to record my own
suggestions and other peoples'.

> As I've begun reading and reviewing, I began by filtering down to just
> drabbles, so as to get the small stuff out of the way before I went on
> to the longer stories.  The filters, of course, are set to the
> suggested categories at the moment.
>
> I came across one piece called "Small", which was not a drabble.
> http://gabrielle.sytes.net/MEFA2005/index.php?
> page=storyDetails&form_id=1033
>

Yes, that's a drabble. It seems that someone set the story type to the
wrong thing. I have corrected it, and it should now be labelled as a
story.


> Since I had scanned the check ballots for my own stories more than
> anything else and deleted the e-mails, I tried to find out whether or
> not the category had been already corrected.  With some finagling I
> came up with this:
>
> http://gabrielle.sytes.net/MEFA2005/index.php?
> navbar_search=small&filter=show&page=adminCheckBallots&form_awardcatego
> ry_filter=-1
>
> At that point, it was not obvious to me whether or not the main
> category for the story was still drabble.  I finagled a bit more and
> finally came up with this:
>
> http://gabrielle.sytes.net/MEFA2005/index.php?
> navbar_search=small&filter=show&page=adminCheckBallots&form_awardcatego
> ry_filter=8
>
> Which I hope and trust means that the main category is "Races/Places:
> Hobbits" and the subcategory is "Pippin."
>

Right. Apparently whoever was handling the Hobbits category noticed
that it wasn't a drabble and put it in a non-drabble category. For some
reason the story information was just never changed.

I think next year we need a checklist of things that the author liaison
need to double check. For example, if a story is nominated as a drabble
we need to somehow verify that it's roughly 100 words. (Or else, a
series of 100-word pieces.) I have a program that does a reasonably
good job of word counts, and most word processors have (somewhat less
reliable) word count features. And I can usually eyeball it and tell if
it's roughly 100 words anyway.

Anyway, for next year maybe we could have a list of things that us
liaisons should check, and include that you should verify that drabbles
are really drabbles.

> But I would be a lot more certain of myself if the heading was "Main
> Category: Races/Places: Hobbits; Subcategory: Pippin" for the story I
> wanted to know about.
>
> (And I'd have been more certain that "drabble" was a subcategory and
> not a main category if I'd seen Marta's list before!  That's neat!)
>
> The end result of my looking about, of course, was that I *didn't*
> send an e-mail saying that "Small" was miscategorized, but it's not
> because I'm entirely positive that it isn't.  Being on the outside
> looking in, I'm not certain how or even if the filters will change
> once the ballots have been finalized.  As a result I've been hesitant
> to comment on any stories except my own.
>

Anthony, can you answer this one? Or Ainae? I'm really not sure how
things will change once we've finalised the nominations.

I do know that right now, if you're an admin you can click on a link
where you can sort the story based on their final category (instead of
the first, second, or third choice categories that the nominators
suggested -- it's the one we finally placed the story in. This brings
up a list of all the stories in that category like what everyone sees
in the "Browse Stories" section, with the stories grouped by their
subcategories. But I honestly don't know how we'll present this
information to all members of the site.

> (It may be that within the Yahoo group, the list of categories and
> subcategories has been hashed out long since, but I joined late, and I
> can't find it on the 2005 website where I spend most of my time.)
>

Last year after the awards were over we discussed what categories from
last year we would keep this year, and what categories we would drop,
and what new ones we would add. We also decided to go with something
called "graduated subcategories". For example Gondor and Rohan were
originally subcategories of RP: Men. But they were so big that we made
them their own category. (If a subcategory reaches twenty stories, the
admins can do that if they think it's appropriate.)

As for subcategories, for the most part the admins created those by
seeing where lots of stories had the same suggested subcategories. (We
also looked at the summaries and at the second and third category
choices for potential subcategories.) The exception is drabbles,
poetry, and incomplete stories (WIPs). These have to run in their own
subcategory.

> I realize that this looks like I'm doing more whinging than helping
> with the awards, and I'm sorry about that.  If it's any consolation, I
> wouldn't even be thinking about the minor problems if I didn't like
> the overall design and pattern of the awards very much.  And they are
> very minor problems; but may be worth considering at post-mortem time.
> (When this message will serve me as a reminder of what I was thinking
> in June.)
>

Don't worry about it. I'm glad to see you participating now! And if you
have any questions or suggestions please do speak up.

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This all sounds like website wonkiness, which isn't post-mortem material so
you don't have to worry about that. But what is post-mortem material needs
to be held off until post-mortem or I will lose my mind. Make a file. Jot
it down. Type it. Whatever, just hang on to it until later. I do have a
life outside the MEFAs.

As to the filters, I've not had a chance to use them myself beyond the
basics of searching within a main category, so I can't really comment. I
looked up the story, Small, and saw nothing about drabble about it. It isn't
categorized as a drabble or summarized as a drabble.

If the filters are telling you it's drabble then that's a website issue and
we need to get Anthony to look into it.

--Ainaechoiriel
MEFA Admin and Founder

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it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of C Dodd
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:26 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] *more for the postmortem*
>
> Again, I'm commenting now because I won't remember this by September.
> I do not expect anyone to act on it now.
>
> As I've begun reading and reviewing, I began by filtering
> down to just drabbles, so as to get the small stuff out of
> the way before I went on to the longer stories. The filters,
> of course, are set to the suggested categories at the moment.
>
> I came across one piece called "Small", which was not a drabble.
> http://gabrielle.sytes.net/MEFA2005/index.php?page=storyDetail
> s&form_id=1033
>
> Since I had scanned the check ballots for my own stories more
> than anything else and deleted the e-mails, I tried to find
> out whether or not the category had been already corrected.
> With some finagling I came up with this:
>
> http://gabrielle.sytes.net/MEFA2005/index.php?navbar_search=sm

all&filter=show&page=adminCheckBallots&form_awardcategory_filter=-1

>
> At that point, it was not obvious to me whether or not the
> main category for the story was still drabble. I finagled a
> bit more and finally came up with this:
>
> http://gabrielle.sytes.net/MEFA2005/index.php?navbar_search=sm

all&filter=show&page=adminCheckBallots&form_awardcategory_filter=8

>
> Which I hope and trust means that the main category is "Races/Places:
> Hobbits" and the subcategory is "Pippin."
>
> A search of the entire award category gives me another set of
> stories headed as "SubCategory: Races/Places: Hobbits:
> Drabble", so presumably the correction has been made.
>
> But I would be a lot more certain of myself if the heading was "Main
> Category: Races/Places: Hobbits; Subcategory: Pippin" for the
> story I wanted to know about.
>
> (And I'd have been more certain that "drabble" was a
> subcategory and not a main category if I'd seen Marta's list
> before! That's neat!)
>
> The end result of my looking about, of course, was that I
> *didn't* send an e-mail saying that "Small" was
> miscategorized, but it's not because I'm entirely positive
> that it isn't. Being on the outside looking in, I'm not
> certain how or even if the filters will change once the
> ballots have been finalized. As a result I've been hesitant
> to comment on any stories except my own.
>
> (It may be that within the Yahoo group, the list of
> categories and subcategories has been hashed out long since,
> but I joined late, and I can't find it on the 2005 website
> where I spend most of my time.)
>
> I realize that this looks like I'm doing more whinging than
> helping with the awards, and I'm sorry about that. If it's
> any consolation, I wouldn't even be thinking about the minor
> problems if I didn't like the overall design and pattern of
> the awards very much. And they are very minor problems; but
> may be worth considering at post-mortem time.
> (When this message will serve me as a reminder of what I was
> thinking in June.)
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marta Layton
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:42 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MEFAwards] *more for the postmortem*
> > I came across one piece called "Small", which was not a drabble.
> > http://gabrielle.sytes.net/MEFA2005/index.php?
> > page=storyDetails&form_id=1033
> >
>
> Yes, that's a drabble. It seems that someone set the story
> type to the wrong thing. I have corrected it, and it should
> now be labelled as a story.

Ah, I must have come to it after you changed it.

--Ainaechoiriel
MEFA Admin and Founder

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On 10 Jun 2005, at 01:48, Ainaechoiriel wrote:

>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marta Layton
> > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:42 AM
> > To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [MEFAwards] *more for the postmortem*
> > >  I came across one piece called "Small", which was not a drabble.
> > > http://gabrielle.sytes.net/MEFA2005/index.php?
> > > page=storyDetails&form_id=1033
> > >
> >
> > Yes, that's a drabble. It seems that someone set the story
> > type to the wrong thing. I have corrected it, and it should
> > now be labelled as a story.
>
> Ah, I must have come to it after you changed it.
>

Yep, I just changed it about fifteen minutes ago.

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I'll take as the upshot of all this then that if I've filtered by
story type and what I get is not what I was looking for then there's
an error on the website and I should report it because it can be fixed
*now.* Okay. I guess that part's not post-mortem after all.

Ainaechoriel, I'm afraid that if I jot it down, it will be thoroughly
lost by September. I'm entering my looney toon season at work and
both pieces of paper and computer files are subject to being bent,
folded, spindled and mutilated between now and the next school year.
That's why I labelled the question post mortem, so that you could
delete it out of your mailbox the moment you saw it in the happy
certainty that Marta would be adding it to the wish list for later.

Since that's obviously not working the way I hoped, Marta, do you mind
if I e-mail you directly if I have any other observations?

rsf

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:

> Hi RSF,
>
> On 9 Jun 2005, at 21:25, C Dodd wrote:

<snip>

>> As I've begun reading and reviewing, I began by filtering down to
>> just drabbles, so as to get the small stuff out of the way before
>> I went on to the longer stories.  The filters, of course, are set
>> to the suggested categories at the moment.
>>
>> I came across one piece called "Small", which was not a drabble.
>> http://gabrielle.sytes.net/MEFA2005/index.php?
>> page=storyDetails&form_id=1033

<snip>

>> Which I hope and trust means that the main category
>> is "Races/Places: Hobbits" and the subcategory is "Pippin."
>
> Right. Apparently whoever was handling the Hobbits category
> noticed that it wasn't a drabble and put it in a non-drabble
> category. For some reason the story information was just never

< changed.

Simply because as a categoriser you cannot change the story details.
There are many many story types drabbles filtered out as not being a
drabble, but as a categoriser.. there is nothing you can do about it.

If it isn't a drabble, it moves to the main category and gets
cetagorised from there. If there is any doubt on length, a check has
been made, at least by me.

> I think next year we need a checklist of things that the author
> liaison need to double check. For example, if a story is nominated
> as a drabble we need to somehow verify that it's roughly 100 words.
> (Or else, a series of 100-word pieces.) I have a program that does
> a reasonably good job of word counts, and most word processors
> have (somewhat less reliable) word count features. And I can
> usually eyeball it and tell if it's roughly 100 words anyway.

Yes, I can see it pretty fast as well, but don't get back at the
categoriser about this.. there is nothing he/she can do about it to
change the storydetails. So that is a but unfair, imho. I might have
changed it if I was the liasion who has a bit more rights), but that
is not the case.

> Anyway, for next year maybe we could have a list of things that us
> liaisons should check, and include that you should verify that
> drabbles are really drabbles.

Start with the nominators ánd authors first. Especially the author
knows what his/her story is.

>> But I would be a lot more certain of myself if the heading
>> was "Main Category: Races/Places: Hobbits; Subcategory: Pippin"
>> for the story I wanted to know about.

I know, I don't know what follows after the check ballots are done,
if you can filter on subcategories.

>> (And I'd have been more certain that "drabble" was a subcategory
>> and not a main category if I'd seen Marta's list before!  That's
>> neat!)

Isn't it? :c)

>> The end result of my looking about, of course, was that I *didn't*
>> send an e-mail saying that "Small" was miscategorized, but it's
>> not because I'm entirely positive that it isn't.  Being on the
>> outside looking in, I'm not certain how or even if the filters
>> will change once the ballots have been finalized.  As a result
>> I've been hesitant to comment on any stories except my own.
>
> Anthony, can you answer this one? Or Ainae? I'm really not sure
> how things will change once we've finalised the nominations.

I am curious as well!!

> I do know that right now, if you're an admin you can click on a
> link where you can sort the story based on their final category
> (instead of the first, second, or third choice categories that the
> nominators suggested -- it's the one we finally placed the story
> in. This brings up a list of all the stories in that category like
> what everyone sees in the "Browse Stories" section, with the
> stories grouped by their subcategories. But I honestly don't know
> how we'll present this information to all members of the site.

Well it isn't in the Browse stories option. So I am not sure what you
mean here.

Rhapsody

I figured that you were probably just really tired. Hang in there, this bit will be over soon! I don't know how you are managing to cope with all of this work...

Mari

In an email dated 10/6/2005 6:17:53 am GMT Daylight time, "Ainaechoiriel" <mefaadmin@earthlink.net> writes:

>Alright, sorry if I took it that way but I've got a lot to do and it's
>getting overwhelming. I'm going to be glad when this is done and we can move
>on to reading and commenting.
>
>--Ainaechoiriel
>MEFA Admin and Founder
>
>"This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond said, "for
>it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.
>
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>
>Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MarigoldCotton@aol.com
>> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 4:59 PM
>> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: RE: [MEFAwards] Races/Places: Rohan, Check Ballot #3
>>
>> "I don't claim to be perfect.  This is what check ballot
>> season is for.  More than checking for missing periods.
>> Categorization is more important.
>>
>> But please put your requests for changin a category more politely."
>>
>> Yes, this is what check ballot season is for. I certainly
>> didn't imply that anyone was "stupid". I know that all of the
>> stories could not be read by the categorizers, that they
>> might not be familiar with this one. I am, and so, as we were
>> asked to do, I pointed out that I felt the category was
>> wrong, and why, and provided you with all of the pertinent
>> information so that *you* could make a decision about moving
>> it. I wasn't accusatory, nor do I think that I was rude or impolite.
>>
>> Marigold
>>
>> n an email dated 9/6/2005 10:32:32 pm GMT Daylight time,
>> "Ainaechoiriel" <mefaadmin@earthlink.net> writes:
>>
>> >Really should be working...
>> >
>> >I'll just say this, when a graduated category became
>> available, it was
>> >available for any story that might seem to fit it better.  
>> The author
>> >didn't have any chance to decide if Rohan or Gondor or
>> Gap-Filler would
>> >be in the top three.  So once they became available, it was
>> just up to
>> >the categorizers to try and decide where a story would fit best.
>> >
>> >Know this, and understand it well, we didn't read ever story
>> we categorized.
>> >I looked at subcategory suggestions, 2nd and 3rd choices and
>> summaries.
>> >
>> >I don't claim to be perfect.  This is what check ballot
>> season is for.  
>> >More than checking for missing periods.  Categorization is
>> more important.
>> >
>> >But please put your requests for changin a category more politely.  
>> >Think about this from the categorizers perspective: There
>> were 200 LOTR
>> >nominations.  The largest category.  And I really do believe it was
>> >harder this year than last.  The one thing the MEFA2005 site made
>> >harder than the nmanual work last year.  I at first, in a
>> rush, moved
>> >very story that mentioned Rohan and Gondor.  Then I
>> rethought it.  Went
>> >back and looked at every summary for those I'd moved. I moved some
>> >back.  I stayed up very late and worked a long time when I
>> had many other things going on in my life.
>> >
>> >This is probably true of every categorizer. I'm not saying not to
>> >request us to move a story. I'm just saying, be
>> understanding when you
>> >do.  We didn't put it there because we were stupid.  We may
>> not be familiar with the story.
>> >We go by the information presented by the nominator and
>> approved by the
>> >author.  We do what we can with what we have. And then we have Check
>> >Ballots to try and fish out the errors.
>> >
>> >I will move this (or is it these) story back later this evening.
>> >
>> >--Ainaechoiriel
>> >MEFA Admin and Founder
>> >
>> >"This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves,"
>> Elrond said,
>> >"for it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.
>> >
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>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
>> >> [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>> >> MarigoldCotton@aol.com
>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:33 PM
>> >> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [MEFAwards] Races/Places: Rohan, Check Ballot #3
>> >>
>> >> This vignette doesn't really belong in R/P: Rohan...
>> >>
>> >> >SubCategory: Races/Places: Rohan: Vignette
>> >>
>> >> >Strength (829): Songspinner
>> >> >G, Reason for Rating: N/A
>> >> >Romance Partners: N/A
>> >> >Merry, speaking with Legolas after Pippin leaves with
>> >> Gandalf, >comes
>> >> >to some truths that prove to be both startling and comforting.
>> >>
>> >> It was nominated in the categories:
>> >> Books/Time: The Lord of The Rings,
>> >> Races/Places: Cross-Cultural
>> >> Genres: Drama (includes Angst)
>> >> with the suggested SubCategories: Fellowship, Rohan, friendship,
>> >> elves
>> >>
>> >> It is a conversation between Merry and Legolas about Pippin, that
>> >> takes place in Rohan, and the location of the conversation is the
>> >> only connection to Rohan.
>> >>
>> >> Marigold
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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On 10 Jun 2005, at 03:31, rhapsody_the_bard wrote:

> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:
> > Hi RSF,
> >
> > On 9 Jun 2005, at 21:25, C Dodd wrote:
> <snip>
>
> >>  As I've begun reading and reviewing, I began by filtering down to
> >> just  drabbles, so as to get the small stuff out of the way before
> >> I went on to the longer stories.  The filters, of course, are set
> >> to the suggested categories at the moment.
> >>
> >>  I came across one piece called "Small", which was not a drabble.
> >> http://gabrielle.sytes.net/MEFA2005/index.php?
> >> page=storyDetails&form_id=1033
> <snip>
>
> >>  Which I hope and trust means that the main category
> >>  is "Races/Places: Hobbits" and the subcategory is "Pippin."
> >
> > Right. Apparently whoever was handling the Hobbits category
> > noticed that it wasn't a drabble and put it in a non-drabble
> > category. For some  reason the story information was just never
> < changed.
>
> Simply because as a categoriser you cannot change the story details.
> There are many many story types drabbles filtered out as not being a
> drabble, but as a categoriser.. there is nothing you can do about it.
>
> If it isn't a drabble, it moves to the main category and gets
> cetagorised from there. If there is any doubt on length, a check has
> been made, at least by me.
>

Of course! I'm sorry, since I have a higher level of access than
categoriser (as Ainae has made me a site administrator so I can help
her out more with the behind-the-scenes stuff), I had forgotten that
categorisers couldn't edit story information.

> > I think next year we need a checklist of things that the author
> > liaison need to double check. For example, if a story is nominated
> > as a drabble we need to somehow verify that it's roughly 100 words.
> > (Or else, a series of 100-word pieces.) I have a program that does
> > a reasonably  good job of word counts, and most word processors
> > have (somewhat less reliable) word count features. And I can
> > usually eyeball it and tell if it's roughly 100 words anyway.
>
> Yes, I can see it pretty fast as well, but don't get back at the
> categoriser about this.. there is nothing he/she can do about it to
> change the storydetails. So that is a but unfair, imho. I might have
> changed it if I was the liasion who has a bit more rights), but that
> is not the case.
>

I'm sorry if it sounded like I was criticising anyone. That wasn't my
intention.

And yes, I now understand about the categorisers not being able to
change the story information.

> > Anyway, for next year maybe we could have a list of things that us 
> > liaisons should check, and include that you should verify that
> > drabbles are really drabbles.
>
> Start with the nominators ánd authors first. Especially the author
> knows what his/her story is.
>

Right, good idea.

> > I do know that right now, if you're an admin you can click on a
> > link where you can sort the story based on their final category
> > (instead of the first, second, or third choice categories that the
> > nominators suggested -- it's the one we finally placed the story
> > in. This brings up a list of all the stories in that category like
> > what everyone sees in the "Browse Stories" section, with the
> > stories grouped by their subcategories. But I honestly don't know
> > how we'll present this  information to all members of the site.
>
> Well it isn't in the Browse stories option. So I am not sure what you
> mean here.
>

Let me try to explain what I meant better. Right now you can filter the
stories nominated by their first, second, and third choice categories,
author's name, mandatory subcategory (WIP, poetry, drabble)... I'm sure
I'm forgetting something, but you get the idea. So I could display all
of the "The Hobbit" drabbles by selecting "The Hobbit" as the first
category choice and "Drabble" as the subcategory.

Admins have access to a similar page, through the "Assign Final SubCat"
length. Only ours has an additional search option, "Final Category" or
something like that. So if a story was assigned to its second choice
category, searching for the first choice category on the "Browse
Stories" page would display it with the wrong group of stories. It's
still there to be found, but you wouldn't find it with the category it
will be running with.

However, on the admin page you can sort by final category, and this
will show all the stories assigned to a certain category. Regardless of
what their first choice category was. I was suggesting that we might
add this field to the browse stories page, allowing non-admin members
to sort this way.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rhapsody_the_bard
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:32 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: *more for the postmortem*
>
> > Right. Apparently whoever was handling the Hobbits category noticed
> > that it wasn't a drabble and put it in a non-drabble category. For
> > some reason the story information was just never
> < changed.
>
> Simply because as a categoriser you cannot change the story details.
> There are many many story types drabbles filtered out as not being a
> drabble, but as a categoriser.. there is nothing you can do about it.

Hmmm....really? Didn't realize that. We'll definitely have to amend that
for next year. Make a Wish-List note of that.

>
> If it isn't a drabble, it moves to the main category and gets
> cetagorised from there. If there is any doubt on length, a check has
> been made, at least by me.
>
> > I think next year we need a checklist of things that the author
> > liaison need to double check. For example, if a story is nominated
> > as a drabble we need to somehow verify that it's roughly 100 words.
> > (Or else, a series of 100-word pieces.) I have a program that does
> > a reasonably good job of word counts, and most word processors
> > have (somewhat less reliable) word count features. And I can
> > usually eyeball it and tell if it's roughly 100 words anyway.
>
> Yes, I can see it pretty fast as well, but don't get back at the
> categoriser about this.. there is nothing he/she can do about it to
> change the storydetails. So that is a but unfair, imho. I might have
> changed it if I was the liasion who has a bit more rights), but that
> is not the case.
>
> > Anyway, for next year maybe we could have a list of things that us
> > liaisons should check, and include that you should verify that
> > drabbles are really drabbles.
>
> Start with the nominators ánd authors first. Especially the author
> knows what his/her story is.
>
> >> But I would be a lot more certain of myself if the heading
> >> was "Main Category: Races/Places: Hobbits; Subcategory: Pippin"
> >> for the story I wanted to know about.
>
> I know, I don't know what follows after the check ballots are done,
> if you can filter on subcategories.
>
> >> (And I'd have been more certain that "drabble" was a subcategory
> >> and not a main category if I'd seen Marta's list before!  That's
> >> neat!)
>
> Isn't it? :c)
>
> >> The end result of my looking about, of course, was that I *didn't*
> >> send an e-mail saying that "Small" was miscategorized, but it's
> >> not because I'm entirely positive that it isn't.  Being on the
> >> outside looking in, I'm not certain how or even if the filters
> >> will change once the ballots have been finalized.  As a result
> >> I've been hesitant to comment on any stories except my own.
> >
> > Anthony, can you answer this one? Or Ainae? I'm really not sure
> > how things will change once we've finalised the nominations.
>
> I am curious as well!!
>
> > I do know that right now, if you're an admin you can click on a
> > link where you can sort the story based on their final category
> > (instead of the first, second, or third choice categories that the
> > nominators suggested -- it's the one we finally placed the story
> > in. This brings up a list of all the stories in that category like
> > what everyone sees in the "Browse Stories" section, with the
> > stories grouped by their subcategories. But I honestly don't know
> > how we'll present this information to all members of the site.
>
> Well it isn't in the Browse stories option. So I am not sure what you
> mean here.

I don't know either, but Anthony and I will eventually figure it out. For
all the people who weren't around last year, the MEFA2005 site is a new
thang! Right up until the last week of March 2005 we'd planned on doing
this awards manually like we did last year (with the exception of the
changes decided on during post-mortem). The automated web-site was
something hoped for but not assumed. Then along came Anthony and suddently
it bcaem a possibility. Only in the last week of March did Anthony and I
know it was going to work. ;-)

March 31st we sent out login info to every MEFAwards member we could reach
and on April 1st the whole thing went live. And we've been learning as we go
from there.

The MEFA2005 site was a conference web site tool that the creator said we
could use. Anthony has taken this and customized it for us, tweaking it
here and there and overhauling it where needed. I've been wrapped up in
Check Ballots so I haven't ventured much beyond that yet. For Reading
Season, I'll more likely login as Ainaechoiriel (who is not an Admin) rather
than mefaadmin (who is an Admin) and I'll be seeing what everyone else sees.

Put these sorts of wishes in the wish-list too. Website tweaks are possible
this year (if they are technically possible). They don't have to wait until
post-mortem.

The categorizers thing where they couldn’t edit story details I wasn't aware
of until too late for this year. Being an Admin at the same time as a
categorizer meant I didn't see what everyone who wasn't an Admin wasn't
seeing. We had to kind of brainstorm what access would be needed for which
groups.

--Ainaechoiriel
MEFA Admin and Founder

"This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond said, "for
it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.

http://gabrielle.sytes.net/mefa The Middle-Earth Fanfiction Awards

Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com

Hi Ainae and all,

On 10 Jun 2005, at 11:59, Ainaechoiriel wrote:

>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rhapsody_the_bard
> > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:32 AM
> > To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: *more for the postmortem*
> >
> > > Right. Apparently whoever was handling the Hobbits category
> noticed
> > > that it wasn't a drabble and put it in a non-drabble category. For
> > > some  reason the story information was just never
> > < changed.
> >
> > Simply because as a categoriser you cannot change the story details.
> > There are many many story types drabbles filtered out as not being a
> > drabble, but as a categoriser.. there is nothing you can do about
> it.
>
> Hmmm....really?  Didn't realize that.  We'll definitely have to amend
> that
> for next year.  Make a Wish-List note of that.
>

Yep. I've marked it down on my notepad and will add it to the database
the next time I'm online.

> > > I do know that right now, if you're an admin you can click on a
> > > link where you can sort the story based on their final category
> > > (instead of the first, second, or third choice categories that the
> > > nominators suggested -- it's the one we finally placed the story
> > > in. This brings up a list of all the stories in that category like
> > > what everyone sees in the "Browse Stories" section, with the
> > > stories grouped by their subcategories. But I honestly don't know
> > > how we'll present this  information to all members of the site.
> >
> > Well it isn't in the Browse stories option. So I am not sure what
> you
> > mean here.
>
> I don't know either, but Anthony and I will eventually figure it
> out.  For
> all the people who weren't around last year, the MEFA2005 site is a
> new
> thang!  Right up until the last week of March 2005 we'd planned on
> doing
> this awards manually like we did last year (with the exception of the
> changes decided on during post-mortem).  The automated web-site was
> something hoped for but not assumed.  Then along came Anthony and
> suddently
> it bcaem a possibility.  Only in the last week of March did Anthony
> and I
> know it was going to work. ;-)
>

And I have heard several people say that the new website made
nominations much easier. I know that much of the system is new, so we
probably need to tweak it for next year. But I think it's gone very
well for a first run.

Marta
*****
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marta Layton
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 5:49 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MEFAwards] Re: *more for the postmortem*
> > Hmmm....really?  Didn't realize that.  We'll definitely
> have to amend
> > that for next year.  Make a Wish-List note of that.
> >
>
> Yep. I've marked it down on my notepad and will add it to the
> database the next time I'm online.

I think I already did. Can't remember for sure.

> And I have heard several people say that the new website made
> nominations much easier. I know that much of the system is
> new, so we probably need to tweak it for next year. But I
> think it's gone very well for a first run.

Oh, absolutely! I love the new site. It has taken so much work off me and
made it so much easier. Just categorizing was a pain. We'll have to see if
we can tweak it and make it easier next year. I think from here on, it's
pretty much clear sailing.

--Ainaechoiriel
MEFA Admin and Founder

"This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond said, "for
it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.

http://gabrielle.sytes.net/mefa The Middle-Earth Fanfiction Awards

Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com