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Hello –

My name is Ariel and I joined the list when a story I co-wrote was
nominated. It looks like you are on your way to having a very nice
little site, Ainaechoiriel. (I am still grateful to you for that rec
you made way back in… gads, I can't even remember what list that was
on… Anyway, you were right, I liked it even though it was a Legolas
story.) I just wanted to say hi, compliment you on your site and the
awards and wish you luck. I don't know how much time I will have to
vote or comment, but I'll try to do as much of my part as I can spare
time for. There are a few fics in here that I know, and some others
listed that I have always wanted to read. Might as well do so here.

I did have a question for you. I noticed that you have several
databases associated with this group. These list things like author
approval and fics nominated. I was surprised to find I had access to
these databases and was wondering if it was required for the
nominators to put records into this database directly or if the
administrators were the only ones who were supposed to enter
records? I looked to see what the indicated procedures were and
couldn't find anything (though I might have missed it). If only
admins are allowed in, you might want to restrict the rest of us (if
you can) or let folks know. I'm a bit nosy so I tried and put in a
record for a fic. I can delete it if that's a no-no.

Ariel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arielphf [mailto:lgreenaw@kcnet.org]
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:47 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Intro and a question
>
> Hello -
>
> My name is Ariel and I joined the list when a story I
> co-wrote was nominated. It looks like you are on your way to
> having a very nice little site, Ainaechoiriel. (I am still
> grateful to you for that rec you made way back in. gads, I
> can't even remember what list that was on. Anyway, you were
> right, I liked it even though it was a Legolas
> story.) I just wanted to say hi, compliment you on your site
> and the awards and wish you luck. I don't know how much time
> I will have to vote or comment, but I'll try to do as much of
> my part as I can spare time for. There are a few fics in
> here that I know, and some others listed that I have always
> wanted to read. Might as well do so here.

Hi! Nice to have you! And by the way, we need permission on another story
of yours....or was that one you entered yourself? See below....

> I did have a question for you. I noticed that you have
> several databases associated with this group. These list
> things like author approval and fics nominated. I was
> surprised to find I had access to these databases and was
> wondering if it was required for the nominators to put
> records into this database directly or if the administrators
> were the only ones who were supposed to enter records? I
> looked to see what the indicated procedures were and couldn't
> find anything (though I might have missed it). If only admins
> are allowed in, you might want to restrict the rest of us (if
> you can) or let folks know. I'm a bit nosy so I tried and
> put in a record for a fic. I can delete it if that's a no-no.

Don't bother deleting it, just fill out a form and post it. Is it your
story? If so, we'll assume permission. Authors can add themselves to the
Author Approval table. If they put someone else in there (because some are
asking authors before they nominate), that's fine, too, just forward me an
e-mail from the author saying it's okay.

As for the Nominations table, leave that for the Categorizers. I can't
change the permissions on the table without making every categorizer a mod.
For the most part, they are just regular member volunteers. But it will
help us to keep straight with our spreadsheets, if only we add to the list.
So for the one you added, just post an official Nomination for it (see the
form in the Files Section, Forms and Ballots folder) and we'll take care of
it from there.

--Ainaechoiriel

"This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond said, "for
it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.

http://www.stormpages.com/gabrielle/lotr Land of Myth and Memory
Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com

> Hi! Nice to have you! And by the way, we need permission on

another story

> of yours....or was that one you entered yourself? See below....
>

Probably the one I entered. I was just seeing if I could.

> So for the one you added, just post an official Nomination for it

(see the

> form in the Files Section, Forms and Ballots folder) and we'll take

care of

> it from there.

I had done that already, and it was because it hadn't been added that
I wondered if I was supposed to put it in the table too. Will keep
my meddlesome mitts off from now on. ;)

Ariel

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "Ainaechoiriel" <mefaadmin@e...>
wrote:

>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: arielphf [mailto:lgreenaw@k...]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:47 AM
> > To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [MEFAwards] Intro and a question
> >
> > Hello -
> >
> > My name is Ariel and I joined the list when a story I
> > co-wrote was nominated. It looks like you are on your way to
> > having a very nice little site, Ainaechoiriel. (I am still
> > grateful to you for that rec you made way back in. gads, I
> > can't even remember what list that was on. Anyway, you were
> > right, I liked it even though it was a Legolas
> > story.) I just wanted to say hi, compliment you on your site
> > and the awards and wish you luck. I don't know how much time
> > I will have to vote or comment, but I'll try to do as much of
> > my part as I can spare time for. There are a few fics in
> > here that I know, and some others listed that I have always
> > wanted to read. Might as well do so here.
>
> Hi! Nice to have you! And by the way, we need permission on

another story

> of yours....or was that one you entered yourself? See below....
>
> > I did have a question for you. I noticed that you have
> > several databases associated with this group. These list
> > things like author approval and fics nominated. I was
> > surprised to find I had access to these databases and was
> > wondering if it was required for the nominators to put
> > records into this database directly or if the administrators
> > were the only ones who were supposed to enter records? I
> > looked to see what the indicated procedures were and couldn't
> > find anything (though I might have missed it). If only admins
> > are allowed in, you might want to restrict the rest of us (if
> > you can) or let folks know. I'm a bit nosy so I tried and
> > put in a record for a fic. I can delete it if that's a no-no.
>
> Don't bother deleting it, just fill out a form and post it. Is it

your

> story? If so, we'll assume permission. Authors can add themselves

to the

> Author Approval table. If they put someone else in there (because

some are

> asking authors before they nominate), that's fine, too, just

forward me an

> e-mail from the author saying it's okay.
>
> As for the Nominations table, leave that for the Categorizers. I

can't

> change the permissions on the table without making every

categorizer a mod.

> For the most part, they are just regular member volunteers. But it

will

> help us to keep straight with our spreadsheets, if only we add to

the list.

> So for the one you added, just post an official Nomination for it

(see the

> form in the Files Section, Forms and Ballots folder) and we'll take

care of

> it from there.
>
> --Ainaechoiriel
>
> "This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond

said, "for

> it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.
>
> http://www.stormpages.com/gabrielle/lotr Land of Myth and Memory
> Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com

So do you approve the nomination of your The Gift of Iluvatar?

--Ainaechoiriel

"This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond said, "for
it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.

http://www.stormpages.com/gabrielle/lotr Land of Myth and Memory
Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arielphf [mailto:lgreenaw@kcnet.org]
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 12:19 PM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Intro and a question
>
> > Hi! Nice to have you! And by the way, we need permission on
> another story
> > of yours....or was that one you entered yourself? See below....
> >
>
> Probably the one I entered. I was just seeing if I could.
>
> > So for the one you added, just post an official Nomination for it
> (see the
> > form in the Files Section, Forms and Ballots folder) and we'll take
> care of
> > it from there.
>
> I had done that already, and it was because it hadn't been
> added that I wondered if I was supposed to put it in the
> table too. Will keep my meddlesome mitts off from now on. ;)
>
> Ariel
>
> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "Ainaechoiriel" <mefaadmin@e...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: arielphf [mailto:lgreenaw@k...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:47 AM
> > > To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [MEFAwards] Intro and a question
> > >
> > > Hello -
> > >
> > > My name is Ariel and I joined the list when a story I
> co-wrote was
> > > nominated. It looks like you are on your way to having a
> very nice
> > > little site, Ainaechoiriel. (I am still grateful to you for that
> > > rec you made way back in. gads, I can't even remember
> what list that
> > > was on. Anyway, you were right, I liked it even though it was a
> > > Legolas
> > > story.) I just wanted to say hi, compliment you on your site and
> > > the awards and wish you luck. I don't know how much time I will
> > > have to vote or comment, but I'll try to do as much of my
> part as I
> > > can spare time for. There are a few fics in here that I
> know, and
> > > some others listed that I have always wanted to read.
> Might as well
> > > do so here.
> >
> > Hi! Nice to have you! And by the way, we need permission on
> another story
> > of yours....or was that one you entered yourself? See below....
> >
> > > I did have a question for you. I noticed that you have several
> > > databases associated with this group. These list things
> like author
> > > approval and fics nominated. I was surprised to find I
> had access
> > > to these databases and was wondering if it was required for the
> > > nominators to put records into this database directly or if the
> > > administrators were the only ones who were supposed to enter
> > > records? I looked to see what the indicated procedures were and
> > > couldn't find anything (though I might have missed it). If only
> > > admins are allowed in, you might want to restrict the
> rest of us (if
> > > you can) or let folks know. I'm a bit nosy so I tried
> and put in a
> > > record for a fic. I can delete it if that's a no-no.
> >
> > Don't bother deleting it, just fill out a form and post it. Is it
> your
> > story? If so, we'll assume permission. Authors can add themselves
> to the
> > Author Approval table. If they put someone else in there (because
> some are
> > asking authors before they nominate), that's fine, too, just
> forward me an
> > e-mail from the author saying it's okay.
> >
> > As for the Nominations table, leave that for the Categorizers. I
> can't
> > change the permissions on the table without making every
> categorizer a mod.
> > For the most part, they are just regular member volunteers. But it
> will
> > help us to keep straight with our spreadsheets, if only we add to
> the list.
> > So for the one you added, just post an official Nomination for it
> (see the
> > form in the Files Section, Forms and Ballots folder) and we'll take
> care of
> > it from there.
> >
> > --Ainaechoiriel
> >
> > "This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond
> said, "for
> > it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.
> >
> > http://www.stormpages.com/gabrielle/lotr Land of Myth and Memory
> > Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com
>
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Yeap.

Ariel

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "Ainaechoiriel" <mefaadmin@e...>
wrote:

> So do you approve the nomination of your The Gift of Iluvatar?
>
> --Ainaechoiriel
>
> "This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves," Elrond

said, "for

> it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.
>
> http://www.stormpages.com/gabrielle/lotr Land of Myth and Memory
> Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: arielphf [mailto:lgreenaw@k...]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 12:19 PM
> > To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Intro and a question
> >
> > > Hi! Nice to have you! And by the way, we need permission on
> > another story
> > > of yours....or was that one you entered yourself? See below....
> > >
> >
> > Probably the one I entered. I was just seeing if I could.
> >
> > > So for the one you added, just post an official Nomination for

it

> > (see the
> > > form in the Files Section, Forms and Ballots folder) and we'll

take

> > care of
> > > it from there.
> >
> > I had done that already, and it was because it hadn't been
> > added that I wondered if I was supposed to put it in the
> > table too. Will keep my meddlesome mitts off from now on. ;)
> >
> > Ariel
> >
> > --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "Ainaechoiriel" <mefaadmin@e...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: arielphf [mailto:lgreenaw@k...]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:47 AM
> > > > To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [MEFAwards] Intro and a question
> > > >
> > > > Hello -
> > > >
> > > > My name is Ariel and I joined the list when a story I
> > co-wrote was
> > > > nominated. It looks like you are on your way to having a
> > very nice
> > > > little site, Ainaechoiriel. (I am still grateful to you for

that

> > > > rec you made way back in. gads, I can't even remember
> > what list that
> > > > was on. Anyway, you were right, I liked it even though it

was a

> > > > Legolas
> > > > story.) I just wanted to say hi, compliment you on your site

and

> > > > the awards and wish you luck. I don't know how much time I

will

> > > > have to vote or comment, but I'll try to do as much of my
> > part as I
> > > > can spare time for. There are a few fics in here that I
> > know, and
> > > > some others listed that I have always wanted to read.
> > Might as well
> > > > do so here.
> > >
> > > Hi! Nice to have you! And by the way, we need permission on
> > another story
> > > of yours....or was that one you entered yourself? See below....
> > >
> > > > I did have a question for you. I noticed that you have

several

> > > > databases associated with this group. These list things
> > like author
> > > > approval and fics nominated. I was surprised to find I
> > had access
> > > > to these databases and was wondering if it was required for

the

> > > > nominators to put records into this database directly or if

the

> > > > administrators were the only ones who were supposed to enter
> > > > records? I looked to see what the indicated procedures were

and

> > > > couldn't find anything (though I might have missed it). If

only

> > > > admins are allowed in, you might want to restrict the
> > rest of us (if
> > > > you can) or let folks know. I'm a bit nosy so I tried
> > and put in a
> > > > record for a fic. I can delete it if that's a no-no.
> > >
> > > Don't bother deleting it, just fill out a form and post it. Is

it

> > your
> > > story? If so, we'll assume permission. Authors can add

themselves

> > to the
> > > Author Approval table. If they put someone else in there

(because

> > some are
> > > asking authors before they nominate), that's fine, too, just
> > forward me an
> > > e-mail from the author saying it's okay.
> > >
> > > As for the Nominations table, leave that for the Categorizers.

I

> > can't
> > > change the permissions on the table without making every
> > categorizer a mod.
> > > For the most part, they are just regular member volunteers.

But it

> > will
> > > help us to keep straight with our spreadsheets, if only we add

to

> > the list.
> > > So for the one you added, just post an official Nomination for

it

> > (see the
> > > form in the Files Section, Forms and Ballots folder) and we'll

take

> > care of
> > > it from there.
> > >
> > > --Ainaechoiriel
> > >
> > > "This evil cannot be concealed by the power of the Elves,"

Elrond

> > said, "for
> > > it is Windows-compatible, and freeware at that." --H.F.
> > >
> > > http://www.stormpages.com/gabrielle/lotr Land of Myth and

Memory

> > > Blog: http://www.ainaechoiriel.blogspot.com
> >
> >
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Hello,

I recently joined this group...some of you I know and many I
don't,
but greetings to all! I've been involved in the LOTR fandom for
just
under a year and have posted at SoA, WOTM, and ff.net under the
author name Inkling. I have not participated much in awards
competitions, but this one attracted me because the idea of review-
based awards seems friendly and fun.

Since joining MEFA, I've been reading up on the rules in a
determined
effort to avoid asking stupid questions, but I'm afraid I'll
have to
ask one anyway...

I don't really understand the author awards and have not found an
explanation of them. If you vote for an author, what exactly should
you be reviewing: the author's skill as it pertains to a specific
nominated story? All of that author's nominated stories? The
author's entire oeuvre (to the extent you've read it),
whether
nominated for the MEFAs or not? Even after looking at some of the
2004 comments, I still couldn't tell...they seemed to vary quite
a
bit in their scope.

And, if remarks are supposed to be limited to a particular story, how
does that differ from reviewing the story itself?

Any clarification on this would be greatly appreciated!

Kathy

Hi Kathy,

>
> I recently joined this group...some of you I know and many I
> don't,
> but greetings to all!  I've been involved in the LOTR fandom for
> just
> under a year and have posted at SoA, WOTM, and ff.net under the
> author name Inkling.  I have not participated much in awards
> competitions, but this one attracted me because the idea of review-
> based awards seems friendly and fun. 
>

Welcome! I think I might have seen you posting at Stories_of_Arda,
because your email address looks familiar. Other than that I think
we're strangers; I write mostly Men, and so I don't know that many
authors specializing in other races. I look forward to getting to know
you better.

> Since joining MEFA, I've been reading up on the rules in a
> determined
> effort to avoid asking stupid questions, but I'm afraid I'll
> have to
> ask one anyway...
>

Thanks for reading up on the rules, but if you do have a question,
please feel free to ask it here. The odds are you're not alone,, and it
lets us know where people are getting confused so we can improve the
FAQs or what-not. But the important thing is avoiding confusion. If
you're shy to ask questions in public you can also email me privately
at melayton at gmail dot com.

> I don't really understand the author awards and have not found an
> explanation of them.  If you vote for an author, what exactly should
> you be reviewing: the author's skill as it pertains to a specific
> nominated story?  All of that author's nominated stories?  The
> author's entire oeuvre (to the extent you've read it),
> whether
> nominated for the MEFAs or not?  Even after looking at some of the
> 2004 comments, I still couldn't tell...they seemed to vary quite
> a
> bit in their scope. 
>

I think there was a bit of confusion about how the author awards worked
last year. I know I was confused, so I hope I get this straight.

The author awards are a chance for you to step back and review the
author, not the particular story. If an author has more than one story
in the category you can talk about them both. Or I think you can even
talk about stories that weren't nominated.

Last year, you had to write a separate comment for each category the
author was entered in. Let's say you had four stories nominated - one
in Hobbits, two in LOTR, and one in Drama. If I wanted to vote for you
I would have to write three separate authors' comments: one for
Hobbits/Authors, a second for LOTR/authors, and again in Drama/authors.
In LOTR/authors I could talk about both of your stories, but in
Hobbits/Authors and Drama/Authors, I'd have to bring in your other
works. Or somehow talk about how you captured the heart of the Shire in
the one nominated story for Hobbits. (In the stories category, I'd talk
about the merits of the story, not necessarily the merits of the stroy
*as a hobbit fic*.) Or, like you say, there wouldn't be much difference
between the author vote and the story vote. (If the two votes turned
out to be similar, that wouldn't necessarily make the author vote
"incorrect", and it would still count. It just would feel a bit
redundant.)

This year, though, we have an improvement! Authors votes are still done
by category. So in the scenario I outlined above you'd still compete in
Hobbits/authors, LOTR/authors, and Drama/authors. But if I'm voting for
you, I don't have to write three different votes. I can write one vote
about your skills as an author, commenting on how you write good drama,
LOTR, and hobbit-centric fic. Maybe something like:

"Kathy's characterization of Merry and Pippin is superb. In her stories
set before the Quest we see them interacting with the hobbits of the
Great Smials and Brandy Hall in a very realistic way. When she writes
drama, the interactions seem very believable; her canon characters feel
like Tolkien's, and her original characters are very believable as
hobbits. But when she takes us through Merry and Pippin's adventures on
the Quest, those same skills shine through with people of different
races. I particularly liked her interaction between Pippin and Beregond
in "The View from the Seventh Circle" and how she captured Treebeard's
longing for the Entwives in "Fangorn". And when she had the pair teach
Legolas about the game of golf, I thought I was going to die laughing.
Very well done indeed!"

(I don't know what you write, so I'm just making this up on the fly,
but you can see what I mean.)

Anyway, if you want more examples, go to
http://gabrielle.sytes.net/mefa/2004comments.html -- clicking on the
author's name will take you to their authors' comments. Lots of
examples there!

Marta
*****
On the other hand, you have different fingers.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Okay, now *I'm* confused about voting for authors. Are you saying that one
author may have multiple author nominations that are divided among the
categories of their nominated stories (as they were last year), but that we
are now allowed to write one single comment and then submit it for all their
categories? Does that mean that our author comments last year were checked
so that we didn't submit identical comments for more than one category?

- Barbara

>From: Marta Layton <melayton@gmail.com>
>
>This year, though, we have an improvement! Authors votes are still done
>by category. So in the scenario I outlined above you'd still compete in
>Hobbits/authors, LOTR/authors, and Drama/authors. But if I'm voting for
>you, I don't have to write three different votes. I can write one vote
>about your skills as an author, commenting on how you write good drama,
>LOTR, and hobbit-centric fic. Maybe something like:

>Marta

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On 9 Apr 2005, at 20:32, Elena Tiriel wrote:

> Okay, now *I'm* confused about voting for authors.  Are you saying
> that one
> author may have multiple author nominations that are divided among the
> categories of their nominated stories (as they were last year), but
> that we
> are now allowed to write one single comment and then submit it for
> all their
> categories?  Does that mean that our author comments last year were
> checked
> so that we didn't submit identical comments for more than one
> category?
>
> - Barbara
>

Hi Barbara,

Last year author awards for different categories were supposed to be
distinct. If you wanted to vote for a certain author in Drama and in
LOTR, you were supposed to write one comment for Drama and a different
one for LOTR. At least that was my impression; if I'm wrong I'm sure
Ainae will correct me when she gets online.

As for checking to make sure you didn't submit identical comments - I
don't think that happened. I wasn't involved behind the scenes at that
point (bleeping RL ;-) ) but I'm pretty sure that didn't happen.

Last year, we were all figuring it out as we went along. I'm sure there
are several things we'd all do differently if we had the year to do
over again, and I at least am not too concerned about whether someone
posted the same author comment for two different categories. I don't
think it's really that huge a deal, because it wasn't intentional by
any means, and because the voter meant for the author to receive the
votes in both categories.

Regardless, this year you *can* use the same comment for two different
author categories.

Marta
*****
On the other hand, you have different fingers.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks, Marta! I understand now.

I appreciate your patience in answering all our questions...

- Barbara

>From: Marta Layton <melayton@gmail.com>
>Reply-To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
>To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [MEFAwards] Intro and a question
>Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 20:49:42 -0400
>
>
>On 9 Apr 2005, at 20:32, Elena Tiriel wrote:
>
> > Okay, now *I'm* confused about voting for authors. Are you saying
> > that one
> > author may have multiple author nominations that are divided among the
> > categories of their nominated stories (as they were last year), but
> > that we
> > are now allowed to write one single comment and then submit it for
> > all their
> > categories? Does that mean that our author comments last year were
> > checked
> > so that we didn't submit identical comments for more than one
> > category?
> >
> > - Barbara
> >
>
>Hi Barbara,
>
>Last year author awards for different categories were supposed to be
>distinct. If you wanted to vote for a certain author in Drama and in
>LOTR, you were supposed to write one comment for Drama and a different
>one for LOTR. At least that was my impression; if I'm wrong I'm sure
>Ainae will correct me when she gets online.
>
>As for checking to make sure you didn't submit identical comments - I
>don't think that happened. I wasn't involved behind the scenes at that
>point (bleeping RL ;-) ) but I'm pretty sure that didn't happen.
>
>Last year, we were all figuring it out as we went along. I'm sure there
>are several things we'd all do differently if we had the year to do
>over again, and I at least am not too concerned about whether someone
>posted the same author comment for two different categories. I don't
>think it's really that huge a deal, because it wasn't intentional by
>any means, and because the voter meant for the author to receive the
>votes in both categories.
>
>Regardless, this year you *can* use the same comment for two different
>author categories.
>
>Marta
>*****
>On the other hand, you have different fingers.
>
>
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On 9 Apr 2005, at 21:00, Elena Tiriel wrote:

> Thanks, Marta!  I understand now.
>
> I appreciate your patience in answering all our questions...
>
> - Barbara
>

No problem, Barbara. That's why I get the cool title. ;-) I'm sure you
understand, with your work with HASA Resources and all, how satisfying
it can be to make sure everyone has the right facts.

Marta
*****
On the other hand, you have different fingers.


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Hi Marta!

Yes, I know your name from the SoA group too, but like you I don't
read much outside the box, which in my case is hobbit fics. But
maybe these awards will induce me to broaden my reading...

Thanks for your explanation of the author awards; it was very
helpful. And loved your imaginary review! You were close, but not
on the mark...all I've written to date are pre-quest Frodo fics. But
if I DID write Merry and Pippin fics, I think I'd now be tempted to
write the stories you imagined! :D

Kathy

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:
> Hi Kathy,
> >
> > I recently joined this group...some of you I know and many I
> > don't,
> > but greetings to all!  I've been involved in the LOTR fandom
for
> > just
> > under a year and have posted at SoA, WOTM, and ff.net under the
> > author name Inkling.  I have not participated much in awards
> > competitions, but this one attracted me because the idea of
review-
> > based awards seems friendly and fun. 
> >
>
> Welcome! I think I might have seen you posting at Stories_of_Arda,
> because your email address looks familiar. Other than that I think
> we're strangers; I write mostly Men, and so I don't know that many
> authors specializing in other races. I look forward to getting to
know
> you better.
>
> > Since joining MEFA, I've been reading up on the rules in a
> > determined
> > effort to avoid asking stupid questions, but I'm afraid I'll
> > have to
> > ask one anyway...
> >
>
> Thanks for reading up on the rules, but if you do have a question,
> please feel free to ask it here. The odds are you're not alone,,
and it
> lets us know where people are getting confused so we can improve
the
> FAQs or what-not. But the important thing is avoiding confusion. If
> you're shy to ask questions in public you can also email me
privately
> at melayton at gmail dot com.
>
> > I don't really understand the author awards and have not found an
> > explanation of them.  If you vote for an author, what exactly
should
> > you be reviewing: the author's skill as it pertains to a specific
> > nominated story?  All of that author's nominated stories? 
The
> > author's entire oeuvre (to the extent you've read it),
> > whether
> > nominated for the MEFAs or not?  Even after looking at some
of
the
> > 2004 comments, I still couldn't tell...they seemed to vary quite
> > a
> > bit in their scope. 
> >
>
> I think there was a bit of confusion about how the author awards
worked
> last year. I know I was confused, so I hope I get this straight.
>
> The author awards are a chance for you to step back and review the
> author, not the particular story. If an author has more than one
story
> in the category you can talk about them both. Or I think you can
even
> talk about stories that weren't nominated.
>
> Last year, you had to write a separate comment for each category
the
> author was entered in. Let's say you had four stories nominated -
one
> in Hobbits, two in LOTR, and one in Drama. If I wanted to vote for
you
> I would have to write three separate authors' comments: one for
> Hobbits/Authors, a second for LOTR/authors, and again in
Drama/authors.
> In LOTR/authors I could talk about both of your stories, but in
> Hobbits/Authors and Drama/Authors, I'd have to bring in your other
> works. Or somehow talk about how you captured the heart of the
Shire in
> the one nominated story for Hobbits. (In the stories category, I'd
talk
> about the merits of the story, not necessarily the merits of the
stroy
> *as a hobbit fic*.) Or, like you say, there wouldn't be much
difference
> between the author vote and the story vote. (If the two votes
turned
> out to be similar, that wouldn't necessarily make the author vote
> "incorrect", and it would still count. It just would feel a bit
> redundant.)
>
> This year, though, we have an improvement! Authors votes are still
done
> by category. So in the scenario I outlined above you'd still
compete in
> Hobbits/authors, LOTR/authors, and Drama/authors. But if I'm voting
for
> you, I don't have to write three different votes. I can write one
vote
> about your skills as an author, commenting on how you write good
drama,
> LOTR, and hobbit-centric fic. Maybe something like:
>
> "Kathy's characterization of Merry and Pippin is superb. In her
stories
> set before the Quest we see them interacting with the hobbits of
the
> Great Smials and Brandy Hall in a very realistic way. When she
writes
> drama, the interactions seem very believable; her canon characters
feel
> like Tolkien's, and her original characters are very believable as
> hobbits. But when she takes us through Merry and Pippin's
adventures on
> the Quest, those same skills shine through with people of different
> races. I particularly liked her interaction between Pippin and
Beregond
> in "The View from the Seventh Circle" and how she captured
Treebeard's
> longing for the Entwives in "Fangorn". And when she had the pair
teach
> Legolas about the game of golf, I thought I was going to die
laughing.
> Very well done indeed!"
>
> (I don't know what you write, so I'm just making this up on the
fly,
> but you can see what I mean.)
>
> Anyway, if you want more examples, go to
> http://gabrielle.sytes.net/mefa/2004comments.html -- clicking on
the
> author's name will take you to their authors' comments. Lots of
> examples there!
>
> Marta
> *****
> On the other hand, you have different fingers.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well now you have me totally confused! I wasn't involved in the
MEFA's last year at all either. I thought it was the story that we
were reviewing and the author's ability to tell THAT story.

Do you mean we're not to be reviewing the story but the author? So
why do we nominate individual stories?

Sorry to be dense, but I've read the rules and they're about as clear
as mud to me. I've read some of the reviews from last year and that
didn't help me clarify things at all.


Lea

>
> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:


> >
> > I think there was a bit of confusion about how the author awards
> worked
> > last year. I know I was confused, so I hope I get this straight.
> >
> > The author awards are a chance for you to step back and review the
> > author, not the particular story. If an author has more than one
> story
> > in the category you can talk about them both. Or I think you can
> even
> > talk about stories that weren't nominated.
> >
> > Last year, you had to write a separate comment for each category
> the
> > author was entered in. Let's say you had four stories nominated -
> one
> > in Hobbits, two in LOTR, and one in Drama. If I wanted to vote for
> you
> > I would have to write three separate authors' comments: one for
> > Hobbits/Authors, a second for LOTR/authors, and again in
> Drama/authors.
> > In LOTR/authors I could talk about both of your stories, but in
> > Hobbits/Authors and Drama/Authors, I'd have to bring in your other
> > works. Or somehow talk about how you captured the heart of the
> Shire in
> > the one nominated story for Hobbits. (In the stories category, I'd
> talk
> > about the merits of the story, not necessarily the merits of the
> stroy
> > *as a hobbit fic*.) Or, like you say, there wouldn't be much
> difference
> > between the author vote and the story vote. (If the two votes
> turned
> > out to be similar, that wouldn't necessarily make the author vote
> > "incorrect", and it would still count. It just would feel a bit
> > redundant.)
> >
> > This year, though, we have an improvement! Authors votes are still
> done
> > by category. So in the scenario I outlined above you'd still
> compete in
> > Hobbits/authors, LOTR/authors, and Drama/authors. But if I'm voting
> for
> > you, I don't have to write three different votes. I can write one
> vote
> > about your skills as an author, commenting on how you write good
> drama,
> > LOTR, and hobbit-centric fic. Maybe something like:
> >
> > "Kathy's characterization of Merry and Pippin is superb. In her
> stories
> > set before the Quest we see them interacting with the hobbits of
> the
> > Great Smials and Brandy Hall in a very realistic way. When she
> writes
> > drama, the interactions seem very believable; her canon characters
> feel
> > like Tolkien's, and her original characters are very believable as
> > hobbits. But when she takes us through Merry and Pippin's
> adventures on
> > the Quest, those same skills shine through with people of different
> > races. I particularly liked her interaction between Pippin and
> Beregond
> > in "The View from the Seventh Circle" and how she captured
> Treebeard's
> > longing for the Entwives in "Fangorn". And when she had the pair
> teach
> > Legolas about the game of golf, I thought I was going to die
> laughing.
> > Very well done indeed!"
> >
> > (I don't know what you write, so I'm just making this up on the
> fly,
> > but you can see what I mean.)
> >
> > Anyway, if you want more examples, go to
> > http://gabrielle.sytes.net/mefa/2004comments.html -- clicking on
> the
> > author's name will take you to their authors' comments. Lots of
> > examples there!
> >
> > Marta
> > *****
> > On the other hand, you have different fingers.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Lea,

> Well now you have me totally confused!  I wasn't involved in the
> MEFA's last year at all either.  I thought it was the story that we
> were reviewing and the author's ability to tell THAT story. 
>
> Do you mean we're not to be reviewing the story but the author?  So
> why do we nominate individual stories? 
>
> Sorry to be dense, but I've read the rules and they're about as clear
> as mud to me.  I've read some of the reviews from last year and that
> didn't help me clarify things at all.
>
>
> Lea
>
>

Sorry for the confusion. Let me see if I can clear it up.

Each ballot has two sections: Stories and Authors. Stories is the
nominated pieces that will be competing in that category. If an author
has a story nominated in a certain category, then that author's name
will also be listed in the "authors" section of the ballot.

For stories, you comment on that particular story. For authors, you
comment more broadly on the author, like what I was trying to explain
earlier. (Ainae, are last year's ballots still in the files section?
That might help people see what I'm talking about.)

So basically you get a chance to comment on *both* the story and the
author. Does that make more sense? If not, I'll try to be clearer.

Marta
*****
On the other hand, you have different fingers.


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On 9 Apr 2005, at 21:00, Elena Tiriel wrote:

> Thanks, Marta!ý I understand now.
>
> I appreciate your patience in answering all our questions...
>
> - Barbara
>

No problem.

> >From: Marta Layton <melayton@gmail.com>
> >Reply-To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> >To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [MEFAwards] Intro and a question
> >Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 20:49:42 -0400
> >
> >
> >On 9 Apr 2005, at 20:32, Elena Tiriel wrote:
> >
> > > Okay, now *I'm* confused about voting for authors.ý Are you saying
> > > that one
> > >ý author may have multiple author nominations that are divided
> among the
> > >ý categories of their nominated stories (as they were last year),
> but
> > > that we
> > >ý are now allowed to write one single comment and then submit it
> for
> > > all their
> > >ý categories?ý Does that mean that our author comments last year
> were
> > > checked
> > >ý so that we didn't submit identical comments for more than one
> > > category?
> > >
> > >ý - Barbara
> > >
> >
> >Hi Barbara,
> >
> >Last year author awards for different categories were supposed to be
> >distinct. If you wanted to vote for a certain author in Drama and in
> >LOTR, you were supposed to write one comment for Drama and a
> different
> >one for LOTR. At least that was my impression; if I'm wrong I'm sure
> >Ainae will correct me when she gets online.
> >
> >As for checking to make sure you didn't submit identical comments - I
> >don't think that happened. I wasn't involved behind the scenes at
> that
> >point (bleeping RL ;-) ) but I'm pretty sure that didn't happen.
> >
> >Last year, we were all figuring it out as we went along. I'm sure
> there
> >are several things we'd all do differently if we had the year to do
> >over again, and I at least am not too concerned about whether someone
> >posted the same author comment for two different categories. I don't
> >think it's really that huge a deal, because it wasn't intentional by
> >any means, and because the voter meant for the author to receive the
> >votes in both categories.
> >
> >Regardless, this year you *can* use the same comment for two
> different
> >author categories.
> >
> >Marta
> >*****
> >On the other hand, you have different fingers.
> >
> >
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> >
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Picture me with a lightbulb shining brightly over my head now ... and
cobwebs being swept from between my ears ...

OK, that makes much more sense. Thanks Marta.

Lea

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:
> Hi Lea,
>
> > Well now you have me totally confused! I wasn't involved in the
> > MEFA's last year at all either. I thought it was the story that we
> > were reviewing and the author's ability to tell THAT story.
> >
> > Do you mean we're not to be reviewing the story but the author? So
> > why do we nominate individual stories?
> >
> > Sorry to be dense, but I've read the rules and they're about as clear
> > as mud to me. I've read some of the reviews from last year and that
> > didn't help me clarify things at all.
> >
> >
> > Lea
> >
> >
>
> Sorry for the confusion. Let me see if I can clear it up.
>
> Each ballot has two sections: Stories and Authors. Stories is the
> nominated pieces that will be competing in that category. If an author
> has a story nominated in a certain category, then that author's name
> will also be listed in the "authors" section of the ballot.
>
> For stories, you comment on that particular story. For authors, you
> comment more broadly on the author, like what I was trying to explain
> earlier. (Ainae, are last year's ballots still in the files section?
> That might help people see what I'm talking about.)
>
> So basically you get a chance to comment on *both* the story and the
> author. Does that make more sense? If not, I'll try to be clearer.
>
> Marta
> *****
> On the other hand, you have different fingers.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On 9 Apr 2005, at 22:19, Leaward wrote:

>
> Picture me with a lightbulb shining brightly over my head now ... and
> cobwebs being swept from between my ears ...
>
> OK, that makes much more sense.  Thanks Marta. 
>
> Lea
>

Excellent! Glad I could help.

Marta
*****
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--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:

> Hi Lea,
>
> > Well now you have me totally confused! I wasn't involved in the
> > MEFA's last year at all either. I thought it was the story that
> > we were reviewing and the author's ability to tell THAT story.
> >
> > Do you mean we're not to be reviewing the story but the author?
> > So why do we nominate individual stories?
> >
> > Sorry to be dense, but I've read the rules and they're about as
> > clear as mud to me. I've read some of the reviews from last
> > year and that didn't help me clarify things at all.

> Sorry for the confusion. Let me see if I can clear it up.
>
> Each ballot has two sections: Stories and Authors. Stories is the
> nominated pieces that will be competing in that category. If an
> author has a story nominated in a certain category, then that
> author's name will also be listed in the "authors" section of the
> ballot.

Ahhhh! I was just as confused as Leaward by reading most of the files
the past days. I read somewhere that when you sumbitted a comment for
a story that it should be different from the other to prevent
vote-stacking.

Righto!!! There are two different kind of things. It almost looked
like that there was only author commenting and I went like.. eh did I
read that wrongly?

> So basically you get a chance to comment on *both* the story and
> the author. Does that make more sense? If not, I'll try to be
> clearer.

Yes it does!! Thank you! :c)

Rhapsody

--- Marta Layton wrote: ---

> No problem, Barbara. That's why I get the cool
> title. ;-)

What was your title in the end? I think I missed
that one! :-P

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On 10 Apr 2005, at 09:44, Naresha wrote:

> --- Marta Layton wrote: ---
>
> > No problem, Barbara. That's why I get the cool
> > title. ;-)
>
> What was your title in the end?  I think I missed
> that one! :-P
>

Very Useful Answerer of Questions, or something like that. Lots of
important-sounding words to describe the simple act of chatting with
you guys. ;-)

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--- Marta Layton wrote: ---

>
> > What was your title in the end?  I think I
> > missed that one! :-P

> Very Useful Answerer of Questions, or something
> like that. Lots of important-sounding words to
> describe the simple act of chatting with
> you guys. ;-)

Ah! Well, Ye High and Mighty Omnipotent Question
Answerer... I have a question for you!!!

I've nominated one of my own fics that features
Erestor, Glorfindel and the twins as elflings.
Now I've done Humour and Elves as the first two
categories, but I have NO idea what to do for the
third one. Suggestions?

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Hi Resha,

> Ah!  Well, Ye High and Mighty Omnipotent Question
> Answerer... 

*snork* I crack up every time I hear that high and loofty title for
such a simple thing.

> I have a question for you!!!
>
> I've nominated one of my own fics that features
> Erestor, Glorfindel and the twins as elflings.
> Now I've done Humour and Elves as the first two
> categories, but I have NO idea what to do for the
> third one.  Suggestions?
>
> Resha
>

Hmm... does it deal with a romantic relationship? If so I'd suggest
"romance" as the third. Or just general non-romantic human (elvish,
whatever) interactions? I'd suggest "drama". I think that would be the
best bet.

> ~To forgive calls upon our love, to forget calls upon our strength~
>

This is a beautiful quote. Do you have a source?

Marta
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--- Marta Layton <melayton@gmail.com> wrote:

---------------------------------

> Hmm... does it deal with a romantic
> relationship? If so I'd suggest "romance" as
> the third. Or just general non-romantic human
> (elvish, whatever) interactions? I'd
> suggest "drama". I think that would be the
> best bet.

No and no. It's a humour piece. Erestor
babysits the elflings Elrohir and Elladan as a
favour to Glorfindel (happens to be his partner
but never explored in anyway shape or form!) and
gets "tortured" - story reading, toenail polish
etc etc etc. Glorfindel gets stuck with them
whilst Erestor showers, ends up getting knocked
out and when he wakes up he finds that Erestor
has proved that Unky Findel can be fun too! it's
totaly and complete fluff and humour. And the
entire cast is Erestor, Glorfindel, Elladan and
Elrohir. So neither romance nor drama fit. :(
Next???

> ~To forgive calls upon our love, to forget

calls upon our strength~

>

This is a beautiful quote. Do you have a source?

F. de la Rochefoucauld. It got it from a Baci
wrapper! :-) Quote all sourced! Glad you like
it.

Resha

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On 11 Apr 2005, at 09:17, Naresha wrote:

>
> --- Marta Layton <melayton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ---------------------------------
> > Hmm... does it deal with a romantic
> > relationship? If so I'd suggest "romance" as
> > the third. Or just general non-romantic human
> > (elvish, whatever) interactions? I'd
> > suggest "drama". I think that would be the
> > best bet.
>
> No and no.  It's a humour piece.  Erestor
> babysits the elflings Elrohir and Elladan as a
> favour to Glorfindel (happens to be his partner
> but never explored in anyway shape or form!)  and
> gets "tortured" - story reading, toenail polish
> etc etc etc.  Glorfindel gets stuck with them
> whilst Erestor showers, ends up getting knocked
> out and when he wakes up he finds that Erestor
> has proved that Unky Findel can be fun too!  it's
> totaly and complete fluff and humour.  And the
> entire cast is Erestor, Glorfindel, Elladan and
> Elrohir.  So neither romance nor drama fit. :( 
> Next???
>

This may be a difference in terminology here. For me, drama is not
necessarily serious. It's simply too characters interacting in some
way, where the focus is *on* that interaction (as opposed to an action
piece, where the focus is on what the characters are doing, or
something like that). Just because the interaction takes the form of
elfling antics doesn't mean it's not drama.

But if you're uncomfortable with that, I hesitantly suggest "LOTR",
just becaue they're all introduced in LOTR, but I can't remember them
being mentioned in THe Hobbit or in The Silmarillion (perhaps the twins
were mentioned in passing in the Silm, but I can't remember it.)

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> But if you're uncomfortable with that, I
> hesitantly suggest "LOTR", just becaue they're
> all introduced in LOTR, but I can't remember
> them being mentioned in THe Hobbit or in The
> Silmarillion (perhaps the twins were mentioned
> in passing in the Silm, but I can't remember
> it.)

Unfortunately I just can't bring myself to list
both humour and drama - I just can't find a
dramatic element to it at all! :-( I asked my
twin expert friend and she said the twins would
have been too old in the timeline of the hobbit,
which would put them back in the Silm wouldn't
it??? It's only the third category... But I
still want it to be pretty accurate! :-P Perhaps
I should put it down as the Silm. The twins were
born in 130 weren't they? SO that would put them
in Silm time???

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--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Naresha <north_shore_fruitcake@y...>
wrote:

> > But if you're uncomfortable with that, I
> > hesitantly suggest "LOTR", just becaue they're
> > all introduced in LOTR, but I can't remember
> > them being mentioned in THe Hobbit or in The
> > Silmarillion (perhaps the twins were mentioned
> > in passing in the Silm, but I can't remember
> > it.)
>
> Unfortunately I just can't bring myself to list
> both humour and drama - I just can't find a
> dramatic element to it at all! :-( I asked my
> twin expert friend and she said the twins would
> have been too old in the timeline of the hobbit,
> which would put them back in the Silm wouldn't
> it??? It's only the third category... But I
> still want it to be pretty accurate! :-P Perhaps
> I should put it down as the Silm. The twins were
> born in 130 weren't they? SO that would put them
> in Silm time???

Technically yes. Given the experience of the baby-sitter: maybe horror
or adventure?

Rhapsody

I was going to pop in on one of Naresha's post but this was too funny! Yes,
horror could definitely fit a babysitting story!

But as for Naresha's particular predicament, I'd give a general answer:
Most likely anyone's first or second choice willb e the category they end up
in, so the third is less important, but still necessary (except for
Non-Fiction, seems to be the consensus to let them have an exception here).
And the Time/Books taopic is a great fallback when you can't find any other
category. That's why I setup the categories in three topics actually. Now,
some people will prefer to nominate by genre or by Men or Elves, etc. So I
couldn't see only going one way there. So if you can't get a category by
races, you can go by genres. (In Naresha's case, she's done both already).
And if you still can't find anything, there's Time/Books. (Now, again, some
people may prefer their Silm story be put in Silm right from the start, so
I'm not trying to degrade the Time/Books topic, but it is a great catch-all
when all else fails.) If it were simply Books, we'd have a problem still,
but since the books cover certain time periods (and Silm covers most of
them) the can stand for time periods as well. Post-Ring War really isn't
represented by a book so it is in there already. Other periods can be
subcategory suggestions and may graduate to main categories (by having 20
stories). In the case of the twins, you could make a case for either LOTR
(as Marta has done because they are mentioned there more than anywhere else)
or Silm (based on the time as Naresha has done).

The simple way to decide? The author gets to choose.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhapsody_the_bard [mailto:rhapsody74@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 9:37 AM
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MEFAwards] Re: Intro and a question
>
>
>
> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Naresha <north_shore_fruitcake@y...>
> wrote:
> > > But if you're uncomfortable with that, I hesitantly
> suggest "LOTR",
> > > just becaue they're all introduced in LOTR, but I can't remember
> > > them being mentioned in THe Hobbit or in The Silmarillion
> (perhaps
> > > the twins were mentioned in passing in the Silm, but I can't
> > > remember
> > > it.)
> >
> > Unfortunately I just can't bring myself to list both humour
> and drama
> > - I just can't find a dramatic element to it at all! :-( I
> asked my
> > twin expert friend and she said the twins would have been
> too old in
> > the timeline of the hobbit, which would put them back in the Silm
> > wouldn't it??? It's only the third category... But I still
> want it to
> > be pretty accurate! :-P Perhaps I should put it down as the Silm.
> > The twins were born in 130 weren't they? SO that would put them in
> > Silm time???
>
> Technically yes. Given the experience of the baby-sitter:
> maybe horror or adventure?
>
> Rhapsody
>
>
>
>
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--- Ainaechoiriel wrote: ---

> I was going to pop in on one of Naresha's post
> but this was too funny! Yes, horror could
> definitely fit a babysitting story!

You know, you both have almost convinced me to
put my story in as Horror for the third one! :-P

> But as for Naresha's particular predicament,
> I'd give a general answer: Most likely anyone's
> first or second choice willb e the category
> they end up in, so the third is less important,
> but still necessary

I know - let me tell you, it is an annoying
bugger of a thing! :-P It is my story, so if it
ends up in the third category I'm going to be
annoyed! :-P

> And the Time/Books taopic is a great fallback
> when you can't find any other category. That's
> why I setup the categories in three topics
> actually.

Yup... Hence why I'm looking at it - but I just
don't know what my time line fits into! I assume
it's Silm with the year, but it just seems odd
putting the twins in there. You knwo... Maybe I
will chuck horror in - just as a joke! :-P

> The simple way to decide? The author gets to
> choose.

Problem being THIS author can't choose! :-P

Resha

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