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I introduced this at the LJ a few days ago, and Inkling reminded me I
needed to formally do it here.

Now that we've decided that nominations will be limited by nominator,
and that there will be a single limit... what should that limit be?
Feel free to explain your choice on this, and maybe we can reach some
common ground.

Cheers,
Marta

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unconsciously give other people permission to do the same."

(Nelson Mandela)

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:

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> I introduced this at the LJ a few days ago, and Inkling reminded me I
> needed to formally do it here.
>
> Now that we've decided that nominations will be limited by nominator,
> and that there will be a single limit... what should that limit be?
> Feel free to explain your choice on this, and maybe we can reach some
> common ground.

Between 10 and 20?

I think Naresha said the average per nominator was 17. Maybe 16, a
nice square number, yet pleasingly round in its form, would suffice?
(Yes, I know, those aren't terribly good grounds for my suggestion to
rest upon...)

Dwim

I wouldn't want the limit to be any less than 25 as I said before, as I think a lot of people will only nominate a few stories, and those of us that nominate larger numbers of works will make up for that. I am afraid that if we make the limit too low that the number of nominated stories will wind up being too few, and maybe not spread around all of the categories.

Personally, I'd *like* the limit to be 50, because I see so many good fics out there when I am looking for stories for my Recommendations Page and such, but I will be satisfied with 25, lol : )

Marigold

>I introduced this at the LJ a few days ago, and Inkling reminded me I
>needed to formally do it here.
>
>Now that we've decided that nominations will be limited by nominator,
>and that there will be a single limit... what should that limit be?
>Feel free to explain your choice on this, and maybe we can reach some
>common ground.
>
>Cheers,
>Marta
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>that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness
>that most frightens us. [...] As we let our own light shine, we
>unconsciously give other people permission to do the same."
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> I wouldn't want the limit to be any less than 25 as I said
> before, as I think a lot of people will only nominate a few
> stories, and those of us that nominate larger numbers of works
> will make up for that. I am afraid that if we make the limit too
> low that the number of nominated stories will wind up being too
> few, and maybe not spread around all of the categories.
>
> Marigold
>

I think when we limit the number of nominations per nominator there will be
more people who nominate more stories. It happened to me several times (not
at the MEFAs) when I wanted to nominate a story it was already nominated. So
my list of nominations then just got shorter. 25 stories would be plenty of
enough for me. I could easily live with less.

Chris

On 9 Nov 2005, at 00:49, dwimmer_laik wrote:

> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:
> >
> > I introduced this at the LJ a few days ago, and Inkling reminded me
> I
> > needed to formally do it here.
> >
> > Now that we've decided that nominations will be limited by
> nominator,
> > and that there will be a single limit... what should that limit be?
> > Feel free to explain your choice on this, and maybe we can reach
> some
> > common ground.
>
> Between 10 and 20?
>
> I think Naresha said the average per nominator was 17. Maybe 16, a
> nice square number, yet pleasingly round in its form, would suffice?
> (Yes, I know, those aren't terribly good grounds for my suggestion to
> rest upon...)
>

I'd prefer to go with a multiple of five, just because that's the kind
of number my brain remembers. So 15 or 20 would be better than 16 as
far as I'm concernedc.

But that's really just my preference. Do others have a similar tendency
to remember round numbers like that? Of course any number is in a sense
arbitrary, but for some reason numbers ending in 5 or 0 seem less
arbitrary.

Cheers,
Marta

*****
"Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our greatest fear is
that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness
that most frightens us. [...] As we let our own light shine, we
unconsciously give other people permission to do the same."

(Nelson Mandela)

Twenty sounds about right to me.

Isabeau


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Hi Marigold,

> I wouldn't want the limit to be any less than 25 as I said before, as
> I think a lot of people will only nominate a few stories, and those of
> us that nominate larger numbers of works will make up for that. I am
> afraid that if we make the limit too low that the number of nominated
> stories will wind up being too few, and maybe not spread around all of
> the categories.
>
> Personally, I'd *like* the limit to be 50, because I see so many good
> fics out there when I am looking for stories for my Recommendations
> Page and such, but I will be satisfied with 25, lol : )
>
> Marigold
>

Personally, I don't think I want the limit to be any more than 25-30.
Part of this is to keep numbers down (20 people nominating 50 and we're
at 1,000 stories). But the really important thing is to keep the
numbers as equal as possible so no nominator can dominate the awards,
and to make the nominations mean something by forcing the nominator to
make some hard decisions.

Marigold, would you be okay with a limit of 20? I suggest this as a
compromise measure. I'd rather have 25 - rounder number, easier to
remember - but I suggest 20 as a compromise with the people who want a
lower number.

Cheers,
Marta

*****
"Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our greatest fear is
that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness
that most frightens us. [...] As we let our own light shine, we
unconsciously give other people permission to do the same."

(Nelson Mandela)

Hi Chris,

On 9 Nov 2005, at 20:14, Chris Grzonka wrote:

> >
> > I wouldn't want the limit to be any less than 25 as I said
> > before, as I think a lot of people will only nominate a few
> > stories, and those of us that nominate larger numbers of works
> > will make up for that. I am afraid that if we make the limit too
> > low that the number of nominated stories will wind up being too
> > few, and maybe not spread around all of the categories.
> >
> > Marigold
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> I think when we limit the number of nominations per nominator there
> will be
> more people who nominate more stories. It happened to me several
> times (not
> at the MEFAs) when I wanted to nominate a story it was already
> nominated.

I've heard the same from other people -- that if I hadn't nominated a
piece they would have. And this was for the MEFAs. I think it was
Thundera who said that she nominated 16 this year but would probably
have needed more if she hadn't started later.

> So
> my list of nominations then just got shorter. 25 stories would be
> plenty of
> enough for me. I could easily live with less.
>

Just to be clear - I'm asking everyone who posts, or trying to - would
you be okay with 20?

Cheers,
Marta

*****
"Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our greatest fear is
that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness
that most frightens us. [...] As we let our own light shine, we
unconsciously give other people permission to do the same."

(Nelson Mandela)

Yes, I would be okay with 20.

> >
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> Just to be clear - I'm asking everyone who posts, or trying to - would
> you be okay with 20?
>
> Cheers,
> Marta

20 is fine with me, though I'd prefer 15, I'd accept 20.
Dreamflower
(Barbara)

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From: "Chris Grzonka" <grzonka@adelphia.net>
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Subject: RE: [MEFAwards] New Topic: What should the limit be?


> Yes, I would be okay with 20.
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Seems like a logical assumption: that some will nominate more if
others nominate less...and spreading it around can only be a good
thing, in light of some of the comments made in this port-mortem.

So sure, 20 seems like a reasonable compromise.

Kathy (Inkling)

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:
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> Hi Chris,
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> On 9 Nov 2005, at 20:14, Chris Grzonka wrote:
> >
> > I think when we limit the number of nominations per nominator
> > there will be more people who nominate more stories. It happened
> > to me several times (not at the MEFAs) when I wanted to nominate
> > a story it was already nominated.
>
> I've heard the same from other people -- that if I hadn't nominated
> a piece they would have. And this was for the MEFAs. I think it was
> Thundera who said that she nominated 16 this year but would
> probably have needed more if she hadn't started later.
>
> > So my list of nominations then just got shorter. 25 stories would
> > be plenty of enough for me. I could easily live with less.
> >
>
> Just to be clear - I'm asking everyone who posts, or trying to -
> would you be okay with 20?

20 will do.

On 11/12/05, Kathy <inkling-tcbs@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> Seems like a logical assumption: that some will nominate more if
> others nominate less...and spreading it around can only be a good
> thing, in light of some of the comments made in this port-mortem.
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> So sure, 20 seems like a reasonable compromise.
>
> Kathy (Inkling)
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> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Marta Layton <melayton@g...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Chris,
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> > On 9 Nov 2005, at 20:14, Chris Grzonka wrote:
> > >
> > > I think when we limit the number of nominations per nominator
> > > there will be more people who nominate more stories. It happened
> > > to me several times (not at the MEFAs) when I wanted to nominate
> > > a story it was already nominated.
> >
> > I've heard the same from other people -- that if I hadn't nominated
> > a piece they would have. And this was for the MEFAs. I think it was
> > Thundera who said that she nominated 16 this year but would
> > probably have needed more if she hadn't started later.
> >
> > > So my list of nominations then just got shorter. 25 stories would
> > > be plenty of enough for me. I could easily live with less.
> > >
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> > Just to be clear - I'm asking everyone who posts, or trying to -
> > would you be okay with 20?
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Hi Marta,

I still would dearly love to have it be 25, but I am certainly willing to compromise with 20.

Marigold

>Marigold, would you be okay with a limit of 20? I suggest this >as a
>compromise measure. I'd rather have 25 - rounder number, easier >to
>remember - but I suggest 20 as a compromise with the people who >want a
>lower number.

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Tales of The Red Book
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There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty forever beyond its reach.

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>Sam, in Mordor, RoTK