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> My story is:
>
> 1. Bookverse: based on the writings of J.R.R. Tolkien and/or drafts
> made available by C. Tolkien
> 2. Filmverse: based on a film adaptation of "The Lord of the Rings" or
> "The Hobbit"

Hi all,
quickly delurking after reading that in digest
(sorry if this problem is already solved):

what, if the story uses both verses, some sequences only appearing in the
book
and some scenes only appearing in the movies?

Best wishes Elanor

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "elanor of aquitania" <elanor@c...>
wrote:

>
> > My story is:
> >
> > 1. Bookverse: based on the writings of J.R.R. Tolkien and/or drafts
> > made available by C. Tolkien
> > 2. Filmverse: based on a film adaptation of "The Lord of the Rings" or
> > "The Hobbit"
>
> Hi all,
> quickly delurking after reading that in digest
> (sorry if this problem is already solved):
>
> what, if the story uses both verses, some sequences only appearing

in the

> book
> and some scenes only appearing in the movies?
>
> Best wishes Elanor
>

I'd say make a decision--which scenes are more important? Is the aim
to highlight and enrich the movie scenes, or are the movie scenes
supporting a mostly bookverse story? We can change the wording to say
"My story is *primarily* based on..."

I'm reluctant to add "Both" as a category because I've not seen many
book/movie blends that specifically aimed to be blends; most seemed to
be playing to the movies and using bookverse scenes where the movie
lacked them. I've read only a few stories that took a moment or two
from the movie and integrated them into a bookverse story, but those
were such minor moments for the most part that it'd be silly to say
the story was movieverse. It made more sense to give a heads up in the
author's notes and then leave it at that.

Dwim

On 29 Nov 2005, at 11:05, dwimmer_laik wrote:

> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "elanor of aquitania" <elanor@c...>
> wrote:
> >
> > > My story is:
> > >
> > > 1. Bookverse: based on the writings of J.R.R. Tolkien and/or
> drafts
> > > made available by C. Tolkien
> > > 2. Filmverse: based on a film adaptation of "The Lord of the
> Rings" or
> > > "The Hobbit"
> >
> > Hi all,
> > quickly delurking after reading that in digest
> > (sorry if this problem is already solved):
> >
> > what, if the story uses both verses, some sequences only appearing
> in the
> > book
> > and some scenes only appearing in the movies?
> >
> > Best wishes Elanor
> >
>
> I'd say make a decision--which scenes are more important? Is the aim
> to highlight and enrich the movie scenes, or are the movie scenes
> supporting a mostly bookverse story? We can change the wording to say
> "My story is *primarily* based on..."
>
> I'm reluctant to add "Both" as a category because I've not seen many
> book/movie blends that specifically aimed to be blends; most seemed to
> be playing to the movies and using bookverse scenes where the movie
> lacked them. I've read only a few stories that took a moment or two
> from the movie and integrated them into a bookverse story, but those
> were such minor moments for the most part that it'd be silly to say
> the story was movieverse. It made more sense to give a heads up in the
> author's notes and then leave it at that.
>

I don't have any strong feelings about this, so whatever people want.
My main concern is that people who write movieverse often don't think
to warm about it in their summaries. While I think they should do this,
I don't want to deal with people thinking they got less or shorter
reviews because their story was movieverse and they didn't warn for it.
(And this is quite possibly old emotional baggage from when I was a
HASA admin.)

Just to cover our basis, how about a warning like:

My story is...

___ 1. Bookverse: based on the writings of J.R.R. Tolkien and/or drafts
made available by C. Tolkien
___ 2. Filmverse: based on a film adaptation of "The Lord of the Rings"
or "The Hobbit"

(Remember, if your story is primarily bookverse but contains elements
unique to the films, you may want to mention this in your summary or
authors' notes so you don't catch your readers by surprise.)

Marta


*****
"Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our greatest fear is
that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness
that most frightens us. [...] As we let our own light shine, we
unconsciously give other people permission to do the same."

(Nelson Mandela)

There are a lot of stories that draw on the visual elements of the film
without it changing the plotline of the books particularly -- all those
relentlessly blue eyed Frodos owe a debt to PJ anyway, even if they're
meeting the Barrow Wight. But maybe it's just me: I feel like I've
seen more than one story which tries to reconcile the book and the
movieverses. Perhaps we could offer writers who really feel that they've
drawn equally on both sources the option of putting their stories in with
the crossovers? Either that or by caveat declare that if a story uses any
*plot* element of the films (rather than any *visual* element), it should be
with the movieverse stories.

On 11/29/05, Marta Layton <melayton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 29 Nov 2005, at 11:05, dwimmer_laik wrote:
>
> > --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "elanor of aquitania" <elanor@c...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > My story is:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Bookverse: based on the writings of J.R.R. Tolkien and/or
> > drafts
> > > > made available by C. Tolkien
> > > > 2. Filmverse: based on a film adaptation of "The Lord of the
> > Rings" or
> > > > "The Hobbit"
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > > quickly delurking after reading that in digest
> > > (sorry if this problem is already solved):
> > >
> > > what, if the story uses both verses, some sequences only appearing
> > in the
> > > book
> > > and some scenes only appearing in the movies?
> > >
> > > Best wishes Elanor
> > >
> >
> > I'd say make a decision--which scenes are more important? Is the aim
> > to highlight and enrich the movie scenes, or are the movie scenes
> > supporting a mostly bookverse story? We can change the wording to say
> > "My story is *primarily* based on..."
> >
> > I'm reluctant to add "Both" as a category because I've not seen many
> > book/movie blends that specifically aimed to be blends; most seemed to
> > be playing to the movies and using bookverse scenes where the movie
> > lacked them. I've read only a few stories that took a moment or two
> > from the movie and integrated them into a bookverse story, but those
> > were such minor moments for the most part that it'd be silly to say
> > the story was movieverse. It made more sense to give a heads up in the
> > author's notes and then leave it at that.
> >
>
> I don't have any strong feelings about this, so whatever people want.
> My main concern is that people who write movieverse often don't think
> to warm about it in their summaries. While I think they should do this,
> I don't want to deal with people thinking they got less or shorter
> reviews because their story was movieverse and they didn't warn for it.
> (And this is quite possibly old emotional baggage from when I was a
> HASA admin.)
>
> Just to cover our basis, how about a warning like:
>
> My story is...
>
> ___ 1. Bookverse: based on the writings of J.R.R. Tolkien and/or drafts
> made available by C. Tolkien
> ___ 2. Filmverse: based on a film adaptation of "The Lord of the Rings"
> or "The Hobbit"
>
> (Remember, if your story is primarily bookverse but contains elements
> unique to the films, you may want to mention this in your summary or
> authors' notes so you don't catch your readers by surprise.)
>
> Marta
>
>
> *****
> "Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our greatest fear is
> that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness
> that most frightens us. [...] As we let our own light shine, we
> unconsciously give other people permission to do the same."
>
> (Nelson Mandela)
>
>
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