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I've walked home from school to give myself time to coold down before
I post my ultimate opinion on this topic - it didn't work. So, I'll
post it as it comes, in my very upset and insulted mindset, hoping
that I won't insult anyone in exchange.
As by now, I'm removing all of my stories from the nomination list
that might have the slightest hint of a same-gender relationship.
My reasons:
I *won't* slap a slash warning upon "The First Snowdrop", the dirty,
evil plot of which is of one male Elf smuggling a single flower into
the room of another male Elf as a sign of his love.
I *won't* slap a slash warning upon "Astonishment in Mirkwood", a
flat-out Legomance, just because it is mentioned that Legolas used to
have a male lover.
I *won't* slap a slash warning upon "Celebrķan", just because two
borderline characters are mentioned to have a same-sex relationship.
I *won't* slap a slash warning upon "Sons of Twilight and Starlight"
which treats the aftermath of the War of Wrath and a Maia's suffering
over the destruction of Beleriand, just because of *one* chaste kiss.
And I could go on and on. That's the smut content of my nominated
stories, in general. But I won't let them put into the same category
as some random "insert Elf A into Elf B" category. I might be
haughty, I might hold my writing in too high of an esteem, but they
are more worth to me for that.
Consequently, I don't feel that I have the right to do that to anyone
else's stories. That's why I'm stepping back as a categorizer,
effective immediately. My categories are Romance, Mystery, The Hobbit
and Horror. Whoever wants to have them -- take them. Good luck in
digging through all the nominations again.
Also, I think I should step down as a staff member and as a list
moderator. I can't - and won't - give my name to a rule which I find
discriminating and personally insulting. Ainae, this is your list,
your creation, you don't need to ask my opinion when you add to the
rules or change them. That's fair enough. But I'm not doing this - I
hope you understand.
I must say, I'm very disappointed. I hoped that this old argument
that has split the fandom many times wouldn't come up here. I even
tried to keep it from coming up. I failed. So all I can do is to
accept my failure and step down.
Soledad
I post my ultimate opinion on this topic - it didn't work. So, I'll
post it as it comes, in my very upset and insulted mindset, hoping
that I won't insult anyone in exchange.
As by now, I'm removing all of my stories from the nomination list
that might have the slightest hint of a same-gender relationship.
My reasons:
I *won't* slap a slash warning upon "The First Snowdrop", the dirty,
evil plot of which is of one male Elf smuggling a single flower into
the room of another male Elf as a sign of his love.
I *won't* slap a slash warning upon "Astonishment in Mirkwood", a
flat-out Legomance, just because it is mentioned that Legolas used to
have a male lover.
I *won't* slap a slash warning upon "Celebrķan", just because two
borderline characters are mentioned to have a same-sex relationship.
I *won't* slap a slash warning upon "Sons of Twilight and Starlight"
which treats the aftermath of the War of Wrath and a Maia's suffering
over the destruction of Beleriand, just because of *one* chaste kiss.
And I could go on and on. That's the smut content of my nominated
stories, in general. But I won't let them put into the same category
as some random "insert Elf A into Elf B" category. I might be
haughty, I might hold my writing in too high of an esteem, but they
are more worth to me for that.
Consequently, I don't feel that I have the right to do that to anyone
else's stories. That's why I'm stepping back as a categorizer,
effective immediately. My categories are Romance, Mystery, The Hobbit
and Horror. Whoever wants to have them -- take them. Good luck in
digging through all the nominations again.
Also, I think I should step down as a staff member and as a list
moderator. I can't - and won't - give my name to a rule which I find
discriminating and personally insulting. Ainae, this is your list,
your creation, you don't need to ask my opinion when you add to the
rules or change them. That's fair enough. But I'm not doing this - I
hope you understand.
I must say, I'm very disappointed. I hoped that this old argument
that has split the fandom many times wouldn't come up here. I even
tried to keep it from coming up. I failed. So all I can do is to
accept my failure and step down.
Soledad
Soledad, I'm sorry you feel the need to step down, but I respect your
feelings and your decision.
I do think, in general, we need to remember that readers have a right
to choose what they wish to read, just as authors have the freedom to
write what their muse whispers in their ear. I don't have a problem
with any fic being labeled for content, and believe me, as someone
who struggles to write believable OFCs, I know what it feels like
lose a large percent of readers before I ever type the first word.
feelings and your decision.
I do think, in general, we need to remember that readers have a right
to choose what they wish to read, just as authors have the freedom to
write what their muse whispers in their ear. I don't have a problem
with any fic being labeled for content, and believe me, as someone
who struggles to write believable OFCs, I know what it feels like
lose a large percent of readers before I ever type the first word.
--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "sulriel" <Sulriel@h...> wrote:
Oh, don't be sorry on my behalf. I was glad to help, because I
thought this to be a good thing. But I can do without all the work
just finely. Besides, this is not the first time I was chased away
from a good thing because of intolerance.
freedom to write what their muse whispers in their ear.
I don't deny it. I just don't agree with the argument that certain
parts of stories need extra warnings. Nerwen is right. If we continue
logically, we should put up het warnings and cuteness warnings and a
whole set of warnings to every story; after all, who knows whose
sensitivities are hurt by the mental image of Hobbits eating potatoes?
what it feels like lose a large percent of readers before I ever type
the first word.
Well, I do. I do have great problems with a story being rejected for
the wrong reasons. If I'd write smut romances for the pairing's sake,
I won't have any problems with labelling them for what they are. But
putting a label that would turn people away from a story that is
focussed on very different things, just because two characters of the
same gender might have some feelings for each other *is* insulting.
Soledad
> Soledad, I'm sorry you feel the need to step down, but I respectyour feelings and your decision.
Oh, don't be sorry on my behalf. I was glad to help, because I
thought this to be a good thing. But I can do without all the work
just finely. Besides, this is not the first time I was chased away
from a good thing because of intolerance.
> I do think, in general, we need to remember that readers have aright to choose what they wish to read, just as authors have the
freedom to write what their muse whispers in their ear.
I don't deny it. I just don't agree with the argument that certain
parts of stories need extra warnings. Nerwen is right. If we continue
logically, we should put up het warnings and cuteness warnings and a
whole set of warnings to every story; after all, who knows whose
sensitivities are hurt by the mental image of Hobbits eating potatoes?
>I don't have a problem with any fic being labeled for content, andbelieve me, as someone who struggles to write believable OFCs, I know
what it feels like lose a large percent of readers before I ever type
the first word.
Well, I do. I do have great problems with a story being rejected for
the wrong reasons. If I'd write smut romances for the pairing's sake,
I won't have any problems with labelling them for what they are. But
putting a label that would turn people away from a story that is
focussed on very different things, just because two characters of the
same gender might have some feelings for each other *is* insulting.
Soledad
Msg# 740
Re: About slash warnings - again Posted by Andreth/Anna May 12, 2004 - 10:03:19 Topic ID# 728I have to agree with Soledad on this. To add a 'warning' per se of
slash content in a story is toeing the line of censorship in my
opinion. Rules shouldn't make a certain group of writers feel
stigmatized, especially after that group of writers was freely
invited to join these awards. To label a story with a warning
indicates there is something potentially offensive about it, and
there are a lot of G and PG slash stories that don't deserve that.
I know there are those in this group who are offended by slash or
avoid it, and there's nothing wrong with that, but the sense of
security gained by labeling stories with a slash warning isn't worth
the hurt feelings and the offense toward writers who do enjoy writing
and reading slash. I'm not a slash writer and don't read it as a rule
(although I do make exceptions for well-written stories), but I
wouldn't want to have the stories labeled with warnings for my
benefit at the expense of someone else's feelings.
Perhaps an alternative to the offensive term of 'warning' would be to
have the romantic pairings listed for all stories, not just romance,
or possibly some other type of neutral notice to make it obvious for
those who wish to avoid slash without offending those who do.
If there's hesitation about labeling the stories as to length for
fear of driving off potential readers, then there certainly should be
hesitation about labeling G and PG stories with 'warnings',
especially when it's listed in the same column with violence, graphic
torture, and death. I am hoping that I've somehow misinterpreted this
rule and that the only stories that will be labeled with warnings are
those PG-13 and above that will require warnings anyway.
But, as Nerwen pointed out, that's just my opinion, although I do
hope our opinions count for something.
Anna
slash content in a story is toeing the line of censorship in my
opinion. Rules shouldn't make a certain group of writers feel
stigmatized, especially after that group of writers was freely
invited to join these awards. To label a story with a warning
indicates there is something potentially offensive about it, and
there are a lot of G and PG slash stories that don't deserve that.
I know there are those in this group who are offended by slash or
avoid it, and there's nothing wrong with that, but the sense of
security gained by labeling stories with a slash warning isn't worth
the hurt feelings and the offense toward writers who do enjoy writing
and reading slash. I'm not a slash writer and don't read it as a rule
(although I do make exceptions for well-written stories), but I
wouldn't want to have the stories labeled with warnings for my
benefit at the expense of someone else's feelings.
Perhaps an alternative to the offensive term of 'warning' would be to
have the romantic pairings listed for all stories, not just romance,
or possibly some other type of neutral notice to make it obvious for
those who wish to avoid slash without offending those who do.
If there's hesitation about labeling the stories as to length for
fear of driving off potential readers, then there certainly should be
hesitation about labeling G and PG stories with 'warnings',
especially when it's listed in the same column with violence, graphic
torture, and death. I am hoping that I've somehow misinterpreted this
rule and that the only stories that will be labeled with warnings are
those PG-13 and above that will require warnings anyway.
But, as Nerwen pointed out, that's just my opinion, although I do
hope our opinions count for something.
Anna
--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "Soledad" <annaliess@h...> wrote:
> I've walked home from school to give myself time to coold down
before
> I post my ultimate opinion on this topic - it didn't work. So, I'll
> post it as it comes, in my very upset and insulted mindset, hoping
> that I won't insult anyone in exchange.
>
> As by now, I'm removing all of my stories from the nomination list
> that might have the slightest hint of a same-gender relationship.
>
> My reasons:
>
> I *won't* slap a slash warning upon "The First Snowdrop", the
dirty,
> evil plot of which is of one male Elf smuggling a single flower
into
> the room of another male Elf as a sign of his love.
>
> I *won't* slap a slash warning upon "Astonishment in Mirkwood", a
> flat-out Legomance, just because it is mentioned that Legolas used
to
> have a male lover.
>
> I *won't* slap a slash warning upon "Celebrķan", just because two
> borderline characters are mentioned to have a same-sex relationship.
>
> I *won't* slap a slash warning upon "Sons of Twilight and
Starlight"
> which treats the aftermath of the War of Wrath and a Maia's
suffering
> over the destruction of Beleriand, just because of *one* chaste
kiss.
>
> And I could go on and on. That's the smut content of my nominated
> stories, in general. But I won't let them put into the same
category
> as some random "insert Elf A into Elf B" category. I might be
> haughty, I might hold my writing in too high of an esteem, but they
> are more worth to me for that.
>
>
> Consequently, I don't feel that I have the right to do that to
anyone
> else's stories. That's why I'm stepping back as a categorizer,
> effective immediately. My categories are Romance, Mystery, The
Hobbit
> and Horror. Whoever wants to have them -- take them. Good luck in
> digging through all the nominations again.
>
>
> Also, I think I should step down as a staff member and as a list
> moderator. I can't - and won't - give my name to a rule which I
find
> discriminating and personally insulting. Ainae, this is your list,
> your creation, you don't need to ask my opinion when you add to the
> rules or change them. That's fair enough. But I'm not doing this -
I
> hope you understand.
>
> I must say, I'm very disappointed. I hoped that this old argument
> that has split the fandom many times wouldn't come up here. I even
> tried to keep it from coming up. I failed. So all I can do is to
> accept my failure and step down.
>
> Soledad
On the flip side, I am making it a personal point to
read every story labelled slash, even if I might not
have read it before. And you know what a rabid
reviewer I am, Anna. ;)
So in a sense, the stories labelled slash have an
advantage. The labels *will* reduce the fairness of
the contest, but maybe not in the way folks had
expected.
:)
viv
--- Andreth/Anna <tawmt@cimtel.net> wrote:
To label a story with
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read every story labelled slash, even if I might not
have read it before. And you know what a rabid
reviewer I am, Anna. ;)
So in a sense, the stories labelled slash have an
advantage. The labels *will* reduce the fairness of
the contest, but maybe not in the way folks had
expected.
:)
viv
--- Andreth/Anna <tawmt@cimtel.net> wrote:
To label a story with
> a warning=====
> indicates there is something potentially offensive
> about it, and
> there are a lot of G and PG slash stories that don't
> deserve that.
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Msg# 761
Re: About slash warnings - again Posted by Andreth/Anna May 12, 2004 - 14:14:44 Topic ID# 728--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Viv <spacellamaprincess@y...> wrote:
And you know what a rabid reviewer I am, Anna. ;)
>
Yes, you are the review goddess, Viv dear. :-D
Anna
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