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... and so that Ainae can have it easier when updating the website.
I've removed from the nomination list the stories below, because of
the new rule:
- Astonishment in Mirkwood
- Dreamwalkers
- Elvenhome
- Frozen Flower
- Innocence
- Sons of Twilight and Starlight
- The First Snowdrop
- The Return of the Minstrel
- Twisted Paths of Fate
I still left on the three other stories, "Exercise of Vital
Powers", "Of Elflings and Mice" and "The Dying Stone".
I apologize by the people who've nominated my stuff - I'm still
grateful that you found the stories worth it. There are still up on
ff.net if anyone wants to read them.
Soledad
I've removed from the nomination list the stories below, because of
the new rule:
- Astonishment in Mirkwood
- Dreamwalkers
- Elvenhome
- Frozen Flower
- Innocence
- Sons of Twilight and Starlight
- The First Snowdrop
- The Return of the Minstrel
- Twisted Paths of Fate
I still left on the three other stories, "Exercise of Vital
Powers", "Of Elflings and Mice" and "The Dying Stone".
I apologize by the people who've nominated my stuff - I'm still
grateful that you found the stories worth it. There are still up on
ff.net if anyone wants to read them.
Soledad
Hello, Soledad!
Is there no chance to change your mind? I'm rather sad (but not
really surprised), for I watched this for a few days now and was
in fact waiting for the first one to feel "really" offended. And now
it's you!
You don't know me, and I had no chance to read one of your
stories yet (which I will do soon), but I second your opinion that
slash isn't the same as smut. I have seen ratings where the
readers were told that there is slash "implied", what I would
count as a wise description without judgement. I don't write
slash, but I'm always glad to discover a well written and beautiful
story, and there are authors who better should quit writing and
others I admire for their skills - both, gen and slash. I hope that
this is no final decision and that we can find a way of rating that
makes you feel more comfortable.
Would you please give the awards another chance?
Cúthalion
P.S. If there should be any mistakes in my english, please don't
mind. It is not my first language.
Is there no chance to change your mind? I'm rather sad (but not
really surprised), for I watched this for a few days now and was
in fact waiting for the first one to feel "really" offended. And now
it's you!
You don't know me, and I had no chance to read one of your
stories yet (which I will do soon), but I second your opinion that
slash isn't the same as smut. I have seen ratings where the
readers were told that there is slash "implied", what I would
count as a wise description without judgement. I don't write
slash, but I'm always glad to discover a well written and beautiful
story, and there are authors who better should quit writing and
others I admire for their skills - both, gen and slash. I hope that
this is no final decision and that we can find a way of rating that
makes you feel more comfortable.
Would you please give the awards another chance?
Cúthalion
P.S. If there should be any mistakes in my english, please don't
mind. It is not my first language.
beleg1cuthalion wrote:
couldn't. And I'm too old and too tired to start a war of opinions
about it. I'll spare my energy for my writing - it's better that way.
usually rate quite high, for safety reasons. Personally, I'm a lot
more disturbed by graphic violence, but that's just me. I also rate
stories higher when they have no sex at all but contain themes I find
too complicated for a very young readership. Like politics.
It's about the discrimination. About the idea that a hint of feeling
between two characters of the same gender makes it necessary to label
a story "slash", even though it's about the inner political schemings
of Gondor or about the end of Arda and the Last Battle. That's what I
find utterly offending and that's which I'm *not* exposing my work to.
they'll be considered harmless enough. Although after all this, one
can never know.
horrible at it without my betas, as you can see. :))
Soledad
> Is there no chance to change your mind? I'm rather sad (but notYes, it has coming for days by now, and I tried to stop it. I
> really surprised), for I watched this for a few days now and was
> in fact waiting for the first one to feel "really" offended. And now
> it's you!
couldn't. And I'm too old and too tired to start a war of opinions
about it. I'll spare my energy for my writing - it's better that way.
> You don't know me, and I had no chance to read one of yourIt's not about the rating. I rarely write anything above PG-13, and I
> stories yet (which I will do soon), but I second your opinion that
> slash isn't the same as smut. I have seen ratings where the
> readers were told that there is slash "implied", what I would
> count as a wise description without judgement. I don't write
> slash, but I'm always glad to discover a well written and beautiful
> story, and there are authors who better should quit writing and
> others I admire for their skills - both, gen and slash. I hope that
> this is no final decision and that we can find a way of rating that
> makes you feel more comfortable.
usually rate quite high, for safety reasons. Personally, I'm a lot
more disturbed by graphic violence, but that's just me. I also rate
stories higher when they have no sex at all but contain themes I find
too complicated for a very young readership. Like politics.
It's about the discrimination. About the idea that a hint of feeling
between two characters of the same gender makes it necessary to label
a story "slash", even though it's about the inner political schemings
of Gondor or about the end of Arda and the Last Battle. That's what I
find utterly offending and that's which I'm *not* exposing my work to.
> Would you please give the awards another chance?I still have three of my stories up on the nomination list. I *hope*
they'll be considered harmless enough. Although after all this, one
can never know.
> P.S. If there should be any mistakes in my english, please don'tOh, don't worry. English is my *third* language and I'm rather
> mind. It is not my first language.
horrible at it without my betas, as you can see. :))
Soledad
>>but I second your opinion thatslash is not the same as smut.
> slash isn't the same as smut. I have seen ratings where the
> readers were told that there is slash "implied", what I would
> count as a wise description without judgement.
without debating the right or wrong of the various viewpoints, the
fact remains that there are a large number of people who are offended
by same-sex relationships regardless of the level of detail.
being offended by them being offended is a downward spiral.
> It's about the discrimination. About the idea that a hint of feelingnecessary to label
> between two characters of the same gender makes it
> a story "slash", even though it's about the inner politicalschemings
> of Gondor or about the end of Arda and the Last Battle. That'swhat I
> find utterly offending and that's which I'm *not* exposing mywork to.
I understand. And I'm very sorry, really.
--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "sulriel" <Sulriel@h...> wrote:
deal in this fandom to survive. I won't swallow *this*. I won't let
myself be put back into a box that I've outgrown decades ago. I've
got every right to be offended, just as they are - and I *am*
offended.
But this discussion is meaningless anyway. I've pulled the stories,
I've stepped down as a categorizer, the rule is through, the people
who wanted it are happy and they are rid of me, so what other problem
could there possibly exist?
Soledad
> without debating the right or wrong of the various viewpoints, theoffended by same-sex relationships regardless of the level of detail.
> fact remains that there are a large number of people who are
> being offended by them being offended is a downward spiral.They have their sensitivities - I have mine. I've swallowed a great
deal in this fandom to survive. I won't swallow *this*. I won't let
myself be put back into a box that I've outgrown decades ago. I've
got every right to be offended, just as they are - and I *am*
offended.
But this discussion is meaningless anyway. I've pulled the stories,
I've stepped down as a categorizer, the rule is through, the people
who wanted it are happy and they are rid of me, so what other problem
could there possibly exist?
Soledad
> But this discussion is meaningless anyway. I've pulled the stories,problem
> I've stepped down as a categorizer, the rule is through, the people
> who wanted it are happy and they are rid of me, so what other
> could there possibly exist?no additional problems.
> > Soledad
I admire for you taking a hard stand for something you believe in but
I think it is a shame the awards have lost those fics.
You know, erotica (i.e., smut) is on the receiving end
of some derision lately. There are some very fine, um,
smut pieces out there. Just because there is insertion
of Part A does not mean a piece cannot be art.
:)
viv
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of some derision lately. There are some very fine, um,
smut pieces out there. Just because there is insertion
of Part A does not mean a piece cannot be art.
:)
viv
--- sulriel <Sulriel@htcomp.net> wrote:
> >>but I second your opinion that=====
> > slash isn't the same as smut. I have seen ratings
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> --- sulriel <Sulriel@h...> wrote:
> > >> > > slash isn't the same as smut.
--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Viv <spacellamaprincess@y...> wrote:
> You know, erotica (i.e., smut) is on the receiving end> of some
derision lately. There are some very fine, um,> smut pieces out
there. Just because there is insertion> of Part A does not mean a
piece cannot be art.> > :)> viv
True and true.
My specific comment was not a judgement on either slash or smut, only
that they are not the same. slash may or may not be smut, smut may
or may not be slash . - and that is not a comment on the general
quality of either genre in any combination.
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