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Msg# 8058

Check Ballots #1 Posted Posted by aure\_enteluva August 03, 2007 - 10:14:12 Topic ID# 8058

Msg# 8059

Re: Check Ballots #1 Posted Posted by Imhiriel August 03, 2007 - 12:46:57 Topic ID# 8058

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "aure_enteluva" <melayton@...> wrote:

I found two items I think might be misplaced.

1) SubCategory: Genres: Adventure: Fixed-Length Ficlet
---
Fell and Fair (526): Elena Tiriel
URL: http://www.henneth-annun.net/stories/chapter.cfm?stid=5160
Teen, Reason for Rating: descriptions of battle violence and animals
scavenging battlefields
Romance Partners: N/A
What would have happened if Elladan and Elrohir had fought in the
Battle of the Field of Celebrant? How would they be remembered in the
legends of the Rohirrim and other races who witnessed it?

A work-in-progress series of drabbles (100 words each) depicting
events surrounding the battle and its widening repercussions, from the
next day to many centuries later.
---

Judging form the summary, this belong in the "Incomplete" category.

2) Main Category Times: First Age and Prior: General
---
Tales of Thanksgiving: A Drabble Collection (184): Dawn Felagund
URL:
http://www.silmarillionwritersguild.org/archive/home/viewstory.php?sid=78
Mature, Reason for Rating: violence, slash, sexual content
Romance Partners: n/a
Many are the friends and associates in this fandom who have helped,
inspired, and encouraged me over the past two years. During the 2006
holiday season, I wanted to begin to thank them for the gift of their
support and friendship. These drabble series were written in response
to the requests and preferences of friends. The word count of each is
exactly a multiple of 100 words and all are based on The Silmarillion.
---

I think this belongs in a fixed-length category, as it is clearly
stated in the summary that it is a drabble series.

And another question: I know that stories compete on subcategory
level. But in the 2nd example above, and in many other instances, your
headings for a particular category is "main category". As these are,
as far as I can see, all the "general" stories, shouldn't they be
called that on the _sub_category level, not the _main_ category level?

Imhiriel

Msg# 8060

Re: Check Ballots #1 Posted Posted by heartofoshun@aol.com August 03, 2007 - 15:09:15 Topic ID# 8058

In a message dated 8/3/2007 12:47:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Larys.HMF@web.de writes:

Tales of Thanksgiving: A Drabble Collection (184): Dawn Felagund

I think you should ask Dawn, but as I recall this series, she uses the term
"drabble" in its more general sense of meaning a short single scene and, as I
remember without looking it up and checking each one, they are all different
lengths.

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Msg# 8063

Re: Check Ballots #1 Posted Posted by Elena Tiriel August 03, 2007 - 17:36:24 Topic ID# 8058

Hi Imhiriel,

Thanks for asking about Fell and Fair, but I prefer that it compete with
other Fixed-length Ficlets rather than Incompletes. My liaison, Sulriel,
very generously worked with me until it was categorized as I wish.

It is an ongoing drabble series (almost a drabble novel, LOL!) with a story
arc... When the story arc is complete, I will consider the series complete,
but currently some scenes in the middle are missing....

So, as a story arc, it is incomplete, but as a drabble series, it *can* be
evaluated in its current form against other drabbles.

- Barbara

On 8/3/07, Imhiriel <Larys.HMF@web.de> wrote:
>
> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com <MEFAwards%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "aure_enteluva" <melayton@...> wrote:
>
> I found two items I think might be misplaced.
>
> 1) SubCategory: Genres: Adventure: Fixed-Length Ficlet
> ---
> Fell and Fair (526): Elena Tiriel
> URL: http://www.henneth-annun.net/stories/chapter.cfm?stid=5160
> Teen, Reason for Rating: descriptions of battle violence and animals
> scavenging battlefields
> Romance Partners: N/A
> What would have happened if Elladan and Elrohir had fought in the
> Battle of the Field of Celebrant? How would they be remembered in the
> legends of the Rohirrim and other races who witnessed it?
>
> A work-in-progress series of drabbles (100 words each) depicting
> events surrounding the battle and its widening repercussions, from the
> next day to many centuries later.
> ---
>
> Judging form the summary, this belong in the "Incomplete" category.
> .
>
>
>

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Msg# 8071

Re: Check Ballots #1 Posted Posted by Marta August 03, 2007 - 19:38:41 Topic ID# 8058

Hi Imhiriel,

> I found two items I think might be misplaced.
>

Thanks for looking through all the check ballots!

> 1) SubCategory: Genres: Adventure: Fixed-Length Ficlet
> ---
> Fell and Fair (526): Elena Tiriel

> Judging form the summary, this belong in the "Incomplete" category.
>

Actually, when a piece fits more than one of the three of story types
that get their own subcategories (FLFs, incompletes, and poetry) we let
the author choose which subcategory type they want it to compete with.
In this case the story is a fixed-length ficlet because it is a series
where each part is exactly 100 words, but as you note it's also a
work-in-progress. Elena Tiriel chose to have it compete with the
fixed-length ficlets, and since it meets the definition of a FLF series,
that's where we're having it compete.

> 2) Main Category Times: First Age and Prior: General
> ---
> Tales of Thanksgiving: A Drabble Collection (184): Dawn Felagund

> I think this belongs in a fixed-length category, as it is clearly
> stated in the summary that it is a drabble series.
>

Actually, in this case the title is a bit misleading here. If you look
at the link the author provides
(http://www.silmarillionwritersguild.org/archive/home/viewstory.php?sid=78),
you'll notice that many of the stories are longer than 500 words.

According to the MEFA rules, for a story to compete with the
fixed-length ficlets it has to have a word count of some nice "round
number" up to 500 words (like 50, 100, 150, 200, 300, 400, 500, etc.);
or be a series where each part has a word count that's one of those
round numbers. In any case the maximum word count for any part of the
series is 500 words. Many parts of Dawn's series have word counts well
over 500 words, so those parts aren't fixed-length ficlets according to
the MEFA definition. And therefore the story as a whole can't be a
fixed-length ficlet stories, so it has to be placed with the full-length
stories.

> And another question: I know that stories compete on subcategory
> level. But in the 2nd example above, and in many other instances, your
> headings for a particular category is "main category". As these are,
> as far as I can see, all the "general" stories, shouldn't they be
> called that on the _sub_category level, not the _main_ category level?
>

Let me get back to you on this one. I want to find out about some
technical detail of the website. But I will get back to you!

Marta

Msg# 8073

Re: Check Ballots #1 Posted Posted by Bonnie L. Sherrell August 03, 2007 - 21:18:23 Topic ID# 8058

All of mine appear to be properly placed from what I can see, and I
didn't see any that appeared out of place.
Bonnie L. Sherrell
Teacher at Large

"Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends." LOTR

"Don't go where I can't follow."

I mourn for this nation.

Msg# 8074

Re: Check Ballots #1 Posted Posted by Imhiriel August 04, 2007 - 6:46:20 Topic ID# 8058

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Marta <melayton@...> wrote:

> > I found two items I think might be misplaced.

You're welcome. Of course, it was only for use in cases of a) I knew
the stories and/or b) I noticed something in the story information.

> Actually, when a piece fits more than one of the three of story types
> that get their own subcategories (FLFs, incompletes, and poetry) we let
> the author choose which subcategory type they want it to compete with.
> In this case the story is a fixed-length ficlet because it is a series
> where each part is exactly 100 words, but as you note it's also a
> work-in-progress. Elena Tiriel chose to have it compete with the
> fixed-length ficlets, and since it meets the definition of a FLF

series,

> that's where we're having it compete.

Ah! Thank you - I had completely forgotten that. And I guess I was
also confused by the "work-in-progress" in contrast to "ongoing
series", as Elena described it better in her own posting.

> Actually, in this case the title is a bit misleading here. If you look
> at the link the author provides
>

(http://www.silmarillionwritersguild.org/archive/home/viewstory.php?sid=78),

> you'll notice that many of the stories are longer than 500 words.

Okay <g>.

> Let me get back to you on this one. I want to find out about some
> technical detail of the website. But I will get back to you!

Of course; no hurry!

Imhiriel

Msg# 8077

Re: Check Ballots #1 Posted Posted by Marta August 05, 2007 - 12:58:56 Topic ID# 8058

Hi Imhiriel,

> And another question: I know that stories compete on subcategory
> level. But in the 2nd example above, and in many other instances, your
> headings for a particular category is "main category". As these are,
> as far as I can see, all the "general" stories, shouldn't they be
> called that on the _sub_category level, not the _main_ category level?
>

Okay, I finally got my ducks in a row enough to answer you. Thanks for
your patience. Each subcategory has something called a "General"
subcategory. For example, Genres: Adventure: General. This is for
stories that aren't in a more specialized category (like Genres:
Adventure: Minas Tirith). There should be about the same number of
stories in the General subcategory as any other subcategory.

The problem is, as far as the website's concerned, there is no General
subcategory. There's just a bunch of stories in a main category without
a more specialized subcategory. It's hard to explain and I won't bore
you with all of the technical details, but this situation means that the
check ballots didn't display this General subcategory correctly. Aranel
Took has now fixed that, so when the next check ballot is posted, they
should display as a subcategory.

Marta

Msg# 8078

Re: Check Ballots #1 Posted Posted by Elena Tiriel August 05, 2007 - 14:16:35 Topic ID# 8058

Thank you, Imhiriel... until your question, I hadn't ever really clarified
it in my *own* mind why I consider it a work in progress.... LOL!

I think I'll change the story summary to call it an ongoing series, as soon
as I post the two new chapters I'm working on....

- Barbara

On 8/4/07, Imhiriel <Larys.HMF@web.de> wrote:
>
> --- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com <MEFAwards%40yahoogroups.com>, Marta
> <melayton@...> wrote:
>
>
> > Actually, when a piece fits more than one of the three of story types
> > that get their own subcategories (FLFs, incompletes, and poetry) we let
> > the author choose which subcategory type they want it to compete with.
> > In this case the story is a fixed-length ficlet because it is a series
> > where each part is exactly 100 words, but as you note it's also a
> > work-in-progress. Elena Tiriel chose to have it compete with the
> > fixed-length ficlets, and since it meets the definition of a FLF
> series,
> > that's where we're having it compete.
>
> Ah! Thank you - I had completely forgotten that. And I guess I was
> also confused by the "work-in-progress" in contrast to "ongoing
> series", as Elena described it better in her own posting.
>
>
> Imhiriel
>

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Msg# 8102

Re: Check Ballots #1 Posted Posted by Imhiriel August 06, 2007 - 8:18:19 Topic ID# 8058

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, "Elena Tiriel" <ElenaTiriel@...> wrote:

>
> Thank you, Imhiriel... until your question, I hadn't ever really

clarified

> it in my *own* mind why I consider it a work in progress.... LOL!
>
> I think I'll change the story summary to call it an ongoing series,

as soon

> as I post the two new chapters I'm working on....

Hee-hee. Glad I could be useful in such and indirect way...

Imhiriel

Msg# 8103

Re: Check Ballots #1 Posted Posted by Imhiriel August 06, 2007 - 8:20:21 Topic ID# 8058

--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, Marta <melayton@...> wrote:

> The problem is, as far as the website's concerned, there is no General
> subcategory. There's just a bunch of stories in a main category without
> a more specialized subcategory. It's hard to explain and I won't bore
> you with all of the technical details,

<g>

I suspected it was something of the sort; didn't know if it could be
rectified.

but this situation means that the

> check ballots didn't display this General subcategory correctly. Aranel
> Took has now fixed that, so when the next check ballot is posted, they
> should display as a subcategory.

I have seen it: the change has worked! Goodie.

Imhiriel

Msg# 8104

Re: Check Ballots #1 Posted Posted by Marta August 06, 2007 - 8:52:12 Topic ID# 8058

Hi Imhiriel,

> > The problem is, as far as the website's concerned, there is no General
> > subcategory. There's just a bunch of stories in a main category without
> > a more specialized subcategory. It's hard to explain and I won't bore
> > you with all of the technical details,
>
> <g>
>
> I suspected it was something of the sort; didn't know if it could be
> rectified.
>

Well, it's *still* something of that sort, but Aranel has successfully
tricked the website into displaying it like a subcategory. ;-) So
all's well that ends better, as Farmer Maggot would say.

Glad we were able to iron out this problem, so that people wouldn't be confused.

Marta

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