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Msg# 9868
oops - characters list Posted by Súlriel of Menegroth May 22, 2009 - 19:54:16 Topic ID# 9868You have Dior listedas an Elf, should he be with the half-elven?
Sulriel
Sulriel
Hiya Sulriel,
Súlriel of Menegroth wrote:
confused. My thinking is that while Elrond et al are regularly spoken of
as the half-elven, this isn't the case for Dior or other first age elves
of mixed parentage.
These lists aren't designed to be technically correct in every detail;
it's more important that they be useable. However, if most people would
look for him under Half-elves, I'd be willing to consider moving him.
Marta
Súlriel of Menegroth wrote:
>Perhaps technically. But I suspect if we moved him people would be
>
>
> You have Dior listedas an Elf, should he be with the half-elven?
>
confused. My thinking is that while Elrond et al are regularly spoken of
as the half-elven, this isn't the case for Dior or other first age elves
of mixed parentage.
These lists aren't designed to be technically correct in every detail;
it's more important that they be useable. However, if most people would
look for him under Half-elves, I'd be willing to consider moving him.
Marta
Msg# 9871
Re: oops - characters list Posted by Súlriel of Menegroth May 22, 2009 - 20:25:47 Topic ID# 9868It's not a huge deal to me, but it seems easier to be correct than not
in most cases. Since he was half human, 1/4 Maia and only 1/4 Elf, it
seems odd to me to have him listed an Elf.
It only came up because I was looking for Elrond under "P" for
Peredhil .... *sigh* ;)
Sulriel
in most cases. Since he was half human, 1/4 Maia and only 1/4 Elf, it
seems odd to me to have him listed an Elf.
It only came up because I was looking for Elrond under "P" for
Peredhil .... *sigh* ;)
Sulriel
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Marta <marta.fandom@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hiya Sulriel,
>
> Súlriel of Menegroth wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> You have Dior listedas an Elf, should he be with the half-elven?
>>
>
> Perhaps technically. But I suspect if we moved him people would be
> confused. My thinking is that while Elrond et al are regularly spoken of
> as the half-elven, this isn't the case for Dior or other first age elves
> of mixed parentage.
>
> These lists aren't designed to be technically correct in every detail;
> it's more important that they be useable. However, if most people would
> look for him under Half-elves, I'd be willing to consider moving him.
>
> Marta
>
Msg# 9872
Re: oops - characters list Posted by heartofoshun@aol.com May 22, 2009 - 20:30:57 Topic ID# 9868I would look first under elves myself, not even suspecting there would be a
separate category for half-elves (since the category is so small). If I
didn't find it there, I might report it missing. I might look under both
elves and men for Elros, for example, not being sure where to look first. Like
Marta said, I think it is less a question of technical accuracy than where
intuitively would one look.
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separate category for half-elves (since the category is so small). If I
didn't find it there, I might report it missing. I might look under both
elves and men for Elros, for example, not being sure where to look first. Like
Marta said, I think it is less a question of technical accuracy than where
intuitively would one look.
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I got confused looking for the men in Rohan LOL I'll kinda clueless like that.
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--- On Fri, 5/22/09, Súlriel of Menegroth <sulriel@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Súlriel of Menegroth <sulriel@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MEFAwards] oops - characters list
To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 9:24 PM
It's not a huge deal to me, but it seems easier to be correct than not
in most cases. Since he was half human, 1/4 Maia and only 1/4 Elf, it
seems odd to me to have him listed an Elf.
It only came up because I was looking for Elrond under "P" for
Peredhil .... *sigh* ;)
Sulriel
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Marta <marta.fandom@ gmail.com> wrote:
> Hiya Sulriel,
>
> Súlriel of Menegroth wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> You have Dior listedas an Elf, should he be with the half-elven?
>>
>
> Perhaps technically. But I suspect if we moved him people would be
> confused. My thinking is that while Elrond et al are regularly spoken of
> as the half-elven, this isn't the case for Dior or other first age elves
> of mixed parentage.
>
> These lists aren't designed to be technically correct in every detail;
> it's more important that they be useable. However, if most people would
> look for him under Half-elves, I'd be willing to consider moving him.
>
> Marta
>
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Msg# 9874
Re: oops - characters list Posted by heartofoshun@aol.com May 22, 2009 - 20:46:56 Topic ID# 9868I got confused looking for the men in Rohan LOL I'll kinda clueless like
that.
---
Ha! Me too! Kind of clueless is an understatement for me--see the flow
charts in my bio of Elwing on the SWG, for example. Me flailing to sort out
the percentages of elf/maia/man among her various descendants and put it
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that.
---
Ha! Me too! Kind of clueless is an understatement for me--see the flow
charts in my bio of Elwing on the SWG, for example. Me flailing to sort out
the percentages of elf/maia/man among her various descendants and put it
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Hi, Kaylee here, I'm new to MEFA's...I like Rohan and Elves! *grin*
I may sound stupid asking this, but what's the SWG, as I am now interested in said flowchart...
~Kaylee Arafinwiel!
I may sound stupid asking this, but what's the SWG, as I am now interested in said flowchart...
~Kaylee Arafinwiel!
----- Original Message -----
From: heartofoshun@aol.com
To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MEFAwards] oops - characters list
I got confused looking for the men in Rohan LOL I'll kinda clueless like
that.
---
Ha! Me too! Kind of clueless is an understatement for me--see the flow
charts in my bio of Elwing on the SWG, for example. Me flailing to sort out
the percentages of elf/maia/man among her various descendants and put it
somewhere I can easily access it whenever I want!
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heartofoshun@aol.com wrote:
MEFA form is that it has a neat little feature to help you with this. Go
to the list of stories already nominated (you can open a new window if
you don't want to leave your form) and click the "Characters" link under
the search filter. It's one of several "Quick links" options. This will
show you all the available characters but on one page rather than in a
drop-down menu. This means you can use your web browsers tool to find a
certain phrase in a webpage. Usually this is typing f while holding down
control (on a windows machine) or command (on a mac). Then just type the
character you want to find.
If the character's on the list at all, it will take you to where he is,
and will show you how he's listed. So searching for "Dior" would show
you he was listed as "Elves - Dior." And that's where you'd find him on
the nomination form.
The only problem with this trick is diacriticals. For instance, Feanor
is listed with the umlaut (sideways colon) over the e. So searching for
"Feanor" wouldn't pick him up because our website displays him as
"Fëanor". But the good news is, if you searched for "anor" (the part
after the diacritical) you could find him fairly quickly. The only other
character name that includes that letter string is Elanor Gamgee.
Or of course you could just ask here or by emailing
mefasupportATmefawardsDOTnet. I'm happy to help.
Marta
>Not that it's ever cool to be confused, but the good thing about the
>
>
>
>
> I got confused looking for the men in Rohan LOL I'll kinda clueless like
> that.
MEFA form is that it has a neat little feature to help you with this. Go
to the list of stories already nominated (you can open a new window if
you don't want to leave your form) and click the "Characters" link under
the search filter. It's one of several "Quick links" options. This will
show you all the available characters but on one page rather than in a
drop-down menu. This means you can use your web browsers tool to find a
certain phrase in a webpage. Usually this is typing f while holding down
control (on a windows machine) or command (on a mac). Then just type the
character you want to find.
If the character's on the list at all, it will take you to where he is,
and will show you how he's listed. So searching for "Dior" would show
you he was listed as "Elves - Dior." And that's where you'd find him on
the nomination form.
The only problem with this trick is diacriticals. For instance, Feanor
is listed with the umlaut (sideways colon) over the e. So searching for
"Feanor" wouldn't pick him up because our website displays him as
"Fëanor". But the good news is, if you searched for "anor" (the part
after the diacritical) you could find him fairly quickly. The only other
character name that includes that letter string is Elanor Gamgee.
Or of course you could just ask here or by emailing
mefasupportATmefawardsDOTnet. I'm happy to help.
Marta
Msg# 9877
Re: oops - characters list Posted by heartofoshun@aol.com May 22, 2009 - 21:13:26 Topic ID# 9868I may sound stupid asking this, but what's the SWG, as I am now interested
in said flowchart...
The Silmarillion Writers Guild. OOT from this discussion, but I'm always
happy to let writers know what resources exist. Here's a link to the SWG
characters bios (alphabetical):
_http://www.silmarillionwritersguild.org/reference/characterofthemonth.php_
(http://www.silmarillionwritersguild.org/reference/characterofthemonth.php)
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in said flowchart...
The Silmarillion Writers Guild. OOT from this discussion, but I'm always
happy to let writers know what resources exist. Here's a link to the SWG
characters bios (alphabetical):
_http://www.silmarillionwritersguild.org/reference/characterofthemonth.php_
(http://www.silmarillionwritersguild.org/reference/characterofthemonth.php)
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Msg# 9878
Re: oops - characters list Posted by heartofoshun@aol.com May 22, 2009 - 21:15:27 Topic ID# 9868Not that it's ever cool to be confused, but the good thing about the
MEFA form is that it has a neat little feature to help you with this.
Thank you, Marta! That is fabulous!
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MEFA form is that it has a neat little feature to help you with this.
Thank you, Marta! That is fabulous!
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Hiya Kaylee,
Welcome to the nuthouse! :-) I like Elves and Rohirrim as well, in
addition to noble Dunedain and incorrigible hobbits, though I have a
special place in my heart for Durin's sons... as you can guess, I'm
pretty much an equal-opportunity fan. I like interesting stories, period.
It can get a bit busy here from time to time, but I think we're
basically a friendly bunch, and hopefully not too scary. I'm the awards
administrator, which means (among other things) I am here to help you
get the most out of the awards. So if you need help just let me know.
I'm available at mefasupportATmefawardsDOTnet, though you can also post
here.
As for SWG... that's shorthand for the Silmarillion Writers Guild, a
Silmarillion-centric archive and concrit group. There's no official link
between them and the MEFAs, but a lot of our members belong there as
well. (Including myself, for what it's worth, though I don't have much
time to do anything more than post my own stuff there.)
I looked it up for you, and the biography in question is at
http://www.silmarillionwritersguild.org/reference/characterofthemonth/elwing.php
From there you can find the rest of the website. If you like Elves,
especially of the Silmarillion variety, you will probably find this site
a lot of fun. Though of course I do hope you won't get so distracted and
forget about the MEFAs. :-)
Marta
Lizzie wrote:
Welcome to the nuthouse! :-) I like Elves and Rohirrim as well, in
addition to noble Dunedain and incorrigible hobbits, though I have a
special place in my heart for Durin's sons... as you can guess, I'm
pretty much an equal-opportunity fan. I like interesting stories, period.
It can get a bit busy here from time to time, but I think we're
basically a friendly bunch, and hopefully not too scary. I'm the awards
administrator, which means (among other things) I am here to help you
get the most out of the awards. So if you need help just let me know.
I'm available at mefasupportATmefawardsDOTnet, though you can also post
here.
As for SWG... that's shorthand for the Silmarillion Writers Guild, a
Silmarillion-centric archive and concrit group. There's no official link
between them and the MEFAs, but a lot of our members belong there as
well. (Including myself, for what it's worth, though I don't have much
time to do anything more than post my own stuff there.)
I looked it up for you, and the biography in question is at
http://www.silmarillionwritersguild.org/reference/characterofthemonth/elwing.php
From there you can find the rest of the website. If you like Elves,
especially of the Silmarillion variety, you will probably find this site
a lot of fun. Though of course I do hope you won't get so distracted and
forget about the MEFAs. :-)
Marta
Lizzie wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi, Kaylee here, I'm new to MEFA's...I like Rohan and Elves! *grin*
>
> I may sound stupid asking this, but what's the SWG, as I am now
> interested in said flowchart...
>
> ~Kaylee Arafinwiel!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: heartofoshun@aol.com <mailto:heartofoshun%40aol.com>
> To: MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com <mailto:MEFAwards%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 6:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [MEFAwards] oops - characters list
>
> I got confused looking for the men in Rohan LOL I'll kinda clueless like
> that.
> ---
>
> Ha! Me too! Kind of clueless is an understatement for me--see the flow
> charts in my bio of Elwing on the SWG, for example. Me flailing to sort out
> the percentages of elf/maia/man among her various descendants and put it
> somewhere I can easily access it whenever I want!
>
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